Fender Super 55 and John East

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by FronTowardEnemy, Dec 25, 2014.

  1. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Hello all,
    I purchased a set of Fender Super 55 jazz bass pickups to throw in my MIJ Fender Marcus Miller jazz bass. I have the John East Marcus Retro installed with AVRI 75 Jazz bass pickups. This configuration sounds great, loud and proud. I wanted to try out some noiseless pickups and I have read great reviews about the Super 55s so I picked up a set.

    Problem is the output volume is only 25% with the Super 55s installed with the Marcus Retro. I cranked the gain in the East preamp and the 55s still have only a small amount of output.

    Is it possible that the Marcus Retro can't be paired with the Super 55s?

    I have tried everything to get them to produce a strong output, installed one at a time and tested throughout installation, but have had no luck.

    I threw back in the AVRI 75 pickups and my bass is at normal volumes again.

    Any one have any ideas? Seems odd that a $350 preamp wouldn't take the Super 55s especially since I have read that they are hot pickups.

    Thanks and Merry Christmas!
     
  2. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Something isn't hooked up correctly. There is no reason those pickups shouldn't work with your preamp.
     
  3. mmbongo

    mmbongo I have too many basses. Supporting Member

    yeah something not right with the wiring or with the pickps.
     
  4. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Yeah. I tried every type of wiring configuration even one pickup at a time with insufficient volume results. Thinking the pickups are no good. Thanks
     
  5. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    The odds of both pickups being equally "no good" are pretty slim.
     
  6. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    This,

    I would be more inclined to think it was a preamp problem than a pickup problem.
     
  7. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois

    Yes.
    I have not seen or heard of this electronic combo before. I am guessing that it is the preamp at fault. I tried some other single coils I had lying around and the output is strong.

    I tried installing the 55s once again just in case I missed something, but no luck. I could throw them in one of my other jazz basses but I like having them stock where as my Marcus is modded. I am going to email East and see what they say.

    On a positive note I bought them from Amazon and they are going to be returned tommorow. $69 shipped was a real bargain though.

    If I hear back from East I will post what they say.

    Thanks for the replies and have a merry Christmas.
     
  8. BlueTalon

    BlueTalon Happy Cynic Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Inland Northwest
    Endorsing Artist: Turnstyle Switch
    You might consider putting them up for sale here. I'm sure someone would be interested.
     
  9. Paul M

    Paul M

    Jul 21, 2005
    Try bypassing the preamp. Temporarily wire one of the pickups directly to the output jack or to the guitar cable itself. This removes all the variables so you will know for sure if the pickup is bad.
    John East's preamps generally have to be attenuated because their output is very strong.
     
  10. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    I thought of that but i didn't want to just in case something was really wrong with them.
     
  11. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Good idea. I will give that a try later today.
     
  12. orangejulius3

    orangejulius3 Supporting Member

    May 6, 2013
    La Habra CA
    Did you try flipping the harness on the pickup.

    Some how I accidentally flip one of the harness (neck pup) of the super 55 and my volume dropped when trying to blend the 2 together.
     
  13. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Yes. I tried everything. I even tried wiring them straight to the output jack of another bass and cable. They are definately bad.

    Thing is I ordered and payed for new pickups, however the packaging was open and the "new" stickers on the packaging had a generic label over them. They had to be returns to begin with. I purchased the neck and bridge separately.

    Sending them back now.
     
  14. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Just a dumb question, but how do you have them wired?
     
  15. mmbongo

    mmbongo I have too many basses. Supporting Member

    Well they quit making them a while back so you probably won't find any 'new' ones. Only returns and B stocks.
     
  16. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Well I had them wired to the East pre neck pickup screw down connection cold (black and green)/hot (white) for the neck and then to the bridge screw down connection cold (black and green) /hot (yellow) for the bridge.

    I also soldered to ground (black and green) as well as reversed the push on connector to the back of the pickups.
    Same result all the time.

    Just for fun and the sake of me failing to install correctly I did try every possible wiring configuration just to be sure. I have installed many pickups in basses over the years. This is the first issue I ever came across.

    I do have an electrical engineering background and do understand ground and shield. When I bypassed the pre to an output Jack only I had the same results; very low output.

    Thanks for all the help and interest. I love TB for this kind of support.

    I sent them back yesterday.

    I know. I don't need them I just wanted to give them a try. My bass sounds fantastic with the East pre and AVRI 75 pickups anyways.

    I sent the Super 55s back yesterday.
     
  17. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    Here is the East pickup terminals. I also have my bass cavity shielded with conductive glue backing copper foil from stewmac.
    image.jpg
     
  18. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    That is very weird that you got two bad pickups, but it sounds like that was exactly your problem.
     
  19. FronTowardEnemy

    FronTowardEnemy It is better to go unnoticed, than to suck

    Sep 19, 2006
    Chicago Illinois
    I know right? When I recieved my East pre back in May the first one had a broken pickup terminal so I had to replace that.

    Don't recall having bought bad bass gear to frequently. The super 55s were suppose to be new but they were both open box with generic labels placed over the original UPC sticker.

    My guess is they were returned because they were bad or somebody mucked them up.

    Shame since I wanted to really try them out. Oh well.
     
  20. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    You can still get some new ones on Amazon. They really are great pickups, I thought it was pretty stupid that Fender discontinued them while sticking with the N3's which are weak and thin sounding.