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Finally got the new 4 string!! I think...(long!)

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by sigkill, Jul 10, 2004.

  1. Well, yesterday was the big day, my return trip to the Memphis GC to pick up my EB MM S.U.B I had in lay-away. It was a passive red version I was going to get for $499 plus tax. However, when I got there, I decided the first time I went, that I might have been a bit hasty in my decision.

    When I left last time, my top three picks were the S.U.B, a beautiful MIM Natural Ash Jazz, and an Ibanez BTB 405QM. When I got there, I had gone ahead and eliminated the BTB, based on it being a five, and I really wanted a four. Anyway, I told my sales guy I was gonna spend some time playing the Jazz and the S.U.B. before I decided what to finally do.

    Well, I went into the soundroom and I picked up the Jazz and I was even more impressed with it this time, cuz I spent time with the amp and coaxed one hell of a mean growl out of it!! After this experience, I decided it was definitely the sweetest Jazz I had heard, played, and seen!

    Anyway, I put it down and went back to the S.U.B. Not my S.U.B., but an active black model, they had just got back in. Main difference was the active pre and an additional $150 tacked on to the price tag. I fiddled around with the amp on this one too, and it didn't just growl, it bit! lol I couldn't afford the extra $150, though. I was about to ask for my red one, when I looked up, and lo and behold, on the upper wall, was a teal active at $499. I believe it was xcental34x's for a while, but I guess he took it back. Anyway, at that price, with the active pre and prettier color, I decided to go with it.

    Here's my problem though, and reason I'm so bitter/sweet on the deal and the reason I started a happy topic thread with a sad face. :( Through GC's nice amp, I cranked the treb on this bass and the amp to full, and got no humm out of it at all. However, I got it home, and through my cheap Ibanez Soundwave 35, it humms with pretty much any treble boost at all.

    As I've come to find out, anything I play through the p.o.s., that has passive pu's, humms to high heaven with any treble boost. Before you say "just don't boost the treble then", it's a signature Stingray sound I'm working with here. To get that big biting high growl, it's essential to work with some treble boost. I tried the mid boost, which is where the Jazz works with it's growl, but mid boost with this sound is just...no. lol

    There is my dilemna, then. At a mere $499, this bass was an unbeatable deal. It's an American made EB MM, it sounds incredible on a decent amp, very close to the Sterling I played. I don't have the amp to handle it though! Besides not being able to use the treble appropriately, this thing goes down so slow, I have to completely cut the bass off the amp to keep from going to mud city on the p.o.s.! D**n it's time for a new rig!

    I can't afford a new righ right now though, no way. I could take the S.U.B. and change it for the MIM Jazz, though. On the upside, it was the best sounding Jazz I found, the prettiest Jazz I found, and I love the signature Jazz growl to. Plus, it works it's growl out of the mid range, the Soundwave could handle that. However, on the downside, it's $479, not near the deal price wise, and I love my S.U.B. to! Maybe price shouldn't be a big deal, and maybe it wouldn't be, but I have a girl that constantly pounds words like; deal, clearance, bargain, savings, thrift, etc. into my head. lol

    What to do? What to do? I love the S.U.B. and got an unbeatable deal on it, but I'm having to slam the tone because of my p.o.s. amp. The Jazz is beautiful, has a great tone I wouldn't have to sacrifice because of the amp, but seems way overpriced. :help: :crying:
  2. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    If it were me, I'd:

    1. Keep the MM - you obviously like it.

    2. Keep an eye out for a good deal on a used Jazz that speaks to you.

    But first...

    3. Save up for a better amp!

    I wouldn't make your bass selection based on what they sound like with your current amp, particularly if you already recognize that your current amp isn't the best. Maybe keep an eye out for a used Bassman 25 or something similar?
  3. the amp in your case is the priority I really think you could play a 10000$ fodera through your amp and it'll sound bad. I once heard someone saying that in the music world your better saving and buy something that will last you longer than buy something you can afford now and wanting to change it in 6 months. Save for a nice amp even if it takes the whole year it'll be worth it :)
  4. T. Alan Smith

    T. Alan Smith Guest

    Sep 9, 2001
    Not sure what's wrong with your Millenium, 'cause they're great bang-for-buck instruments, but if the Jazz growl is what you dig, simply order an Essex Jazz to start off. Then grab yourself an Avatar cab, Sansamp, and the power amp of choice and rock on bro. :bassist:
  5. ^ And then it will rain lemon drops and gum drops and everything will be hunky dory. :D You know things do cost money, and you can't just "grab" or "pick up" things on a whim, the man's on a tight budget.
  6. dragonbass

    dragonbass Supporting Member

    Feb 17, 2003
    ........................................EX-Sadowsky Guitars Builder..........................................................
    Keep the S.U.B. (you will kick yourself later for getting rid of it...you got a good deal!)
    As for the amp......get a sound you can deal with for now, save up some money, go to GC or anywhere else and put a down payment on something that you really like that sounds good. There are plenty of companies that offer good amps at good prices.....SWR workingmans series....ampeg....Hartke...all of these are always available used at any given time.

    Good luck with your decision!

    KEEP the S.U.B.
  7. Eyescream


    Feb 4, 2004
    Knoxville, TN
    Agree with all above. The amp is crap, dude, and that's why you don't like what you hear.

    BassNW, last I checked, had a couple Fender 1x15 combos pretty much like I've got that I'm constantly tickled with playing through. These amps were going for, as I recall, fairly good prices. Look into one of those, maybe.
  8. Get a SWR Workingmans 15 combo and a 2x10 cab. It sounds great! If you go used, you can get an awesome deal! At a local store, we had a complete Acoustic 360 setup for $500! Its a sweet setup too!
  9. not to do stupid things. :D I don't know, but I do know I have done more than my share of stupid things in my lifetime. This time I'm doing the smart thing, though. I'm keeping the S.U.B.! I got a great deal on it, it's the highest end bass I've owned yet, and most importantly, I love it!

    I took a minute to actually think (yes, that explains the smoke smell) and I realized that getting the Jazz wouldn't solve anything. It would still buzz like a bee through the crapper amp, and it's not gonna sound the way it did in the GC (yes, I think that point was actually escaping me at first). There, I was playing it through GK and Hartke heads at 300-500 watts running into large cabs.

    That's it then, I just have amp g.a.s.! Before recently, I hadn't really heard a higher end amp. Now that I have, I know the meaning of tone. As it was said, I could play a $10k bass through this amp and it would sound like crap. 35 little watts into a single ten and blown tweeter doesn't hardly stand up to the rigs I was playing on at GC.

    I still have some old gear I can get rid of, like a Royce drumset, my Squier bass, and my Squier guitar amp, so I think I'll take those up to GC with me sometime and take what I can get. Then I'll either put an amp on lay-away or look for something on the TB classifieds.

    Thanks for the input guys, it helped save me from pulling a majorly boneheaded move. :bassist:
  10. Well, now that I've decided to keep her, how about some pics to celebrate? :cool:
    <img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub20.jpg" height="500" width="150"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub21.jpg" height="500" width="300"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub17.jpg" height="500" width="350"/>
  11. Aaron Saunders

    Aaron Saunders

    Apr 27, 2002
    Definitely check out Yorkville amps -- great little buggers, and really nice tone. I got a used 100B for $150 CAD! Awesome deal. Spring for an XM200, or if you want something that'll really last you for a while, one of the new 200 watt tube amps. I'll toss in another vote for the SWR Workingman 115, they cleaned house in the BP Combo Amp Shootout.
  12. <img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub23.jpg" height="500" width="300"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub24.jpg" height="500" width="300"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub25.jpg" height="500" width="300"/>

    <img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub26.jpg" height="500" width="150"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub27.jpg" height="500" width="300"/><img src="http://grnco.net/~exums/ebmmsub28.jpg" height="500" width="300"/>
  13. T. Alan Smith

    T. Alan Smith Guest

    Sep 9, 2001
    I wasn't exactly telling him to run out and buy a Glok head and Bergie cab, now wuz I? I suggested the right tools for him to get his job done. What I suggested would be a very small investment if the fellow was playing out very often. If fact, they'd pay for themselves in to time.
    I know because I've been there. :smug:

    However, if your just fiddlin' at home, a Peavey Minx is a great little amp. That, or a Korg Pandora. :bassist:
  14. KeithPas


    May 16, 2000
    I have seen the import Ashdown stuff in the MF catalog for small money. Of course that doesn't mean much if you have no money.
  15. orange_nate

    orange_nate Guest

    Apr 15, 2004
    i want to emphasize on saving for a new amp!!! I did and man did it pay off!! i went from an ampeg 2 x 10 combo to an 8 x 10 cab w a G-K head....instantly all my basses sounded so much better.
  16. Nuff said about gettin' a better amp, you know what to do! Also I'd like to promote the HARTKE Kickback 12 combo as a great upgrade for very little $$$

    Good luck! :)

    (and BTW: beautiful bass!)
  17. Mo' bass

    Mo' bass

    May 4, 2000
    Yeah, beautifull bass. You made a wise choice to keep it! Enjoy!!