Fingering matters

Discussion in 'Jazz Technique [DB]' started by dexter3d, May 27, 2019.

  1. dexter3d

    dexter3d

    Jul 4, 2005
    Lithuania
    Hi Folks,

    A very basic question, but. Say you walk Db7 going up a cadence to Gb maj7, the notes being Db - D - Eb - F - Gb, in the 1st position starting with 4th finger.

    There is two ways to do finger it -

    a) Db(4) - D(0) - Eb(1) - F(4) - Gb(4)
    or
    b) Db(4) - D(0) - Eb(1) - F(2) - Gb(4)

    Which one do you prefer and which is academically 'correct'?
    I personally prefer the a) one because it seems to me it gives me less 'wiggling'&more stability and precision. I've been playing like b) all the time (remnants from bass guitar), but now discovered I could improve my technique by adopting a). Any thoughts?
     
  2. GutJazz

    GutJazz

    Mar 5, 2019
    Roma - Italy
    B
    I prefer to shift position before the end of a line :)
     
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  3. Mark Ambler

    Mark Ambler

    Nov 18, 2017
    London, UK.
    Whatever works best for you. How about not using a open string.
     
  4. dexter3d

    dexter3d

    Jul 4, 2005
    Lithuania
    I always try to use open strings whenever possible, because they're in perfect tune, and because you get some rest for your left hand, so looks like win-win.
     
  5. Just me: B, pivoting the thumb between Eb(1) and F(2). I feel that pivot is easier to be precise when I change fingers during the pivot. If I played F(4) - pivot - Gb(4), I'd need to control myself not to play audible slide. Sliding is okay, but sparingly. I can't really play Db and Ab major scales with classic Simandl fingering, it gets exhausting quickly.
     
  6. jsf729

    jsf729

    Dec 12, 2014
    Central Maryland
    I would use "B" since that would be the "correct" fingering on a Db major scale- at least that's how I was taught
     
  7. salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    B
     
  8. thehindteet

    thehindteet

    Jan 15, 2013
    I'd do B unless the next stop was Ab on the D string, in which case I would probably play the Gb with 1.

    I think I can count on one hand the number of places where I do the 4-4 shift, one of the simandl etudes is the only thing I can think of offhand.
     
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  9. Scott Lynch

    Scott Lynch Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    Delaware, USA
    I would do option b). I personally tend to avoid ascending 4 - 4 shifts and descending 1 - 1 shifts when possible.
     
  10. Carl Hillman

    Carl Hillman

    Jan 1, 2010
    b), given those two choices

    But, if this line actually came up while playing, I probably wouldn't use the open string.
     
  11. From those two options, B to ascend, and A to descend.
     
  12. sean_on_bass

    sean_on_bass

    Dec 29, 2005
    USA
    I say get comfy with both, but B is likely what i would do, although my actual line would likely be Db Eb E F Gb.
     
  13. Pivoting is flimsy for a solid, quarter note walking line. A shift is worth it for stability. I wouldn't recommend ANY pivoting for jazz ensemble playing. In a fast solo it might prove worthwhile.