First Attempts At Transcribing

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by danqi, Mar 3, 2002.

  1. danqi


    May 21, 2001
    I am currently in the process of transcribing my first song. I chose In Bloom by Nirvana. I just thought you could maybe check my transcription of the verse and tell me if I am on the right track. I am actually transcribing this in standard notation but I'll write it down in TAB here:

    Key of A/#F 4/4

    R = Rest

    I am having some problems with the chorus. It would be great if you could give me a hint (but no more please, that would be like telling the end of a movie;)).
    Also, do you think it's cheating to use a program that slows down the music without changing the pitch?
  2. danqi


    May 21, 2001
    Attention moderators: I really wasn't too sure if I should post this on the recordings or the general instructions board.
    Now I think it would fit better to the general instructions. It would be nice if you could move it there.

  3. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    While I can't comment on your transcription, I will answer your question about using programs that slow down the music without changing the pitch. I don't in any way see this as "cheating." I feel anything that will help you do an accurate transcription is fine and a legitimate transcription tool.

    The only case in which such a program would be "cheating" would be if you are enrolled in a college-level transcription class and you are required to work out a peice of music strictly by ear with no assistance. Even then, I'd ask the professor if he considers a program that slows down the music to be an unfair crutch. I just don't see why anything that slows down the music to help you hear notes that would be too fast otherwise would be an unfair tool.
  4. I agree completely. The goal of using your ear is to help you hear and distinguish notes better, and slowing down a song doesn't effect this. The only cheating I know of is going on to some tab site and using that to learn a song, because you're cheating yourself.
  5. Boplicity

    Boplicity Supporting Member

    As per your request, Orthonc, I will move this to
    "General Instruction."
  6. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    I have a friend that has a device that slows the music down without changing the pitch and it was developed by a guy that's supposed to be one of the best transcribers. It's an essential tool for transcription. I use Nero's wave editor which has that feature built into it.
  7. danqi


    May 21, 2001
    Thanks for your responses.

    It just seems like I managed to distract from the main point of my post with that question about slowing down the music.:(
    Is there anyone would could help me with that transcription problem?
  8. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    I'd be happy to help, but I'd need a link to a file of the song (I just loaned my copy of "In Bloom" to JAZZBOACONSTRICTOR so he could do some free TaBz for a couple of newbies). Let me know.

  9. JAZZBO's doing tabs now? :eek:
  10. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Yeah and DURRL'STALK is offering his services as free hair-style consultant to the up-and-coming TB stars - he is specialising in hair metal from '75 to '89 - his latest book on the subject is published by Sher in August. ;)
  11. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    All he's done is stolen my hairstyel! :mad: :cool: :D
  12. *ToNeS*


    Jan 12, 2001
    Sydney AU
    well ya know what they say about DURRLs and their unabating desires to have 'fun' and so forth :cool:
  13. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    Hair metal? Yeah, I'll consult the hair right onto the floor with my clipper....I did indeed steal Jon's military hairstyle. However, since I'm a civilian, I'm allowed to wear a beard with it, and he isn't. So there! :)

    However, one thing I wasn't kidding about was the offer to help OARTHONK with his transcription. He is to be commended for working on such things, and has been involved in several threads about theory in the past where he kept asking questions until satisfied. So like I said, if anyone can post a link to the soundfile, I'd be happy to help.
  14. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Well I would take it seriously if this song wasn't on our very own "Tab Archive" !

    But just to prove I am not entirely unhelpful ;) I did dig out my own copy of "NeverMind" which hasn't been off the shelf for 10 years (!) and listened to the offending track.

    So - listening to the intro which both have tabbed - I would say that Mr. Novoselic has fooled everybody by throwing in a tricky little bend that nobody has noticed! Well - that'll teach you for being in a rock band where everything tends to get drowned out by the drums or distorted guitar and even your fans don't notice how clever you have been! :D
  15. Kraken


    Jun 19, 2001
    Aylesbury, England
    SmartA$$:D ;) - in a loving way of course

    Bruce this one post has almost entirely changed my opinion of you:D
  16. danqi


    May 21, 2001
    I have finally managed to put the song online for you. A friend of mine put it on his server:

    Bruce: I don't even want to look at any tabs for this song. I choose the song as an exercise and thought it would work fine for a beginner. I mean, hey, its Nirvana.:D
    I just need some starting help.

    I really gotta listen for that bend.

    Chris: Thanks for pointing out my integrity. :D ;)
  17. danqi


    May 21, 2001
    coughcoughfeelfreetogoforitcoughcough;) :D
  18. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY


    Sorry about that - read the "You Little Weenies" thread in BG Misc to find out what's been on my mind this past week. :eek: :cool: Regardless of that, I'd still like to help. Let me propose a comprimise: ask a specific question about the section you're having trouble with, and how much information you want provided by the peanut gallery here, and I'll try to answer just that much, so you can do as much as possible on your own. I'll keep my "email notification" for this thread turned on so I'll know when you've done this.

    Sorry for contributing to that nasty cough you have going there. :)

  19. Tronictq


    Jan 23, 2001
    Hey Orthanc,

    You say you are a beginner?

    Well I congratulate you for challenging yourself, and trying to transcribe a song. Back when I was beggining, i heard something tuff and ran straight to But transcribin is a GREAT start man. GJ

  20. danqi


    May 21, 2001

    Thanks for your help.
    Most importantly I would like to know if that little part that I transribed is correct (starts around 0:13 and repeats a bunch of times). If I knew I am on the right track it would be much easier to figure out the rest of the song because I could relate it to that part.
    It would also be great if you could tell me if you think the chorus and bridge stray off of that "main pattern" alot (e.g. key change) or just vary it.
    I think that should be all the help I need.... at least for THIS song.:eek: ;)
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