First gig with our band any advice promoting? (rant included)

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by KingCrimson, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. KingCrimson


    Oct 6, 2008
    well we got our first gig only thing is they are promoting it awful.
    Guitarist got a message over myspace offering us the gig he took it knowiung it would be Jan 31st, we didn't get any details till tday when they wanted all the bands to meet up.

    basically we get 30 mins, only 20 to play (wow very generous)
    we have to sell the tickets and promote the show
    if we don't sell at least 30 we don't play
    tickets are overpriced at 12$
    theer will be plenty of bands there each with the same set time the place gets PACKED though.

    i mean for a first gig it would be nice to play in a large club like this but i swear to god these promoters are theiving ***holes who are making money off us with very little work from their part, we will only get paid 65$ if we sell at least 50 tickets.

    20 minute set!

    they expect us to sell to people a 20 minute set all the way downtown for 12$, yah real easy product to sell, it doesn't help at all that they will only tell us the set times depending on how many tickets we sell 4 days before the gig.

    How am i supposed to sell these besides a few dedicated friends i mean THEY don't even tell us the set times, seems like i;m not selling i'm asking a favour, pay 12$ come downtown and watch us play for 20 mins.

    All the while this promotion company keeps the profit to themselves. It seems like this is the ONLY way to get gigs over here in Montreal though,at least as a thrash metal band. I don't get why more venues can promote these things themselves more and make us an attraction. I honestly don't think we can sell 50 tickets at 12$ youve got to be ****ing kidding me.
  2. Pay To Play. This is baaaaad sh!t. Avoid.

    Cancel the "gig". Pass the word to other potential suckers.
  3. SpamBot

    SpamBot Guest

    Dec 25, 2008
    St. Paul, MN
    We had one of these in MN....
    My band was going to play in it, but we cancelled because it smelled of scam.
  4. Seriously. Screw those people. Don't do pay to play. Bad for you, bad for the entire musical community.
  5. svenbass


    Dec 12, 2002
    Let's assume there are 6 bands seeing as each slot is 30 minutes.

    6 bands sell 50 tix = $3600

    6 bands get paid total of $390

    Promoters take = $3210

    Club also has 300 patrons who each buy an average of $10 in beverages = $3000

    I'm sure things are more complex than what the raw numbers show but ... it seems like everyone but the musicians are in line for some cash. Plus YOU are the attraction, and have done the promotion and your pay, if any, is a pittance.

    Seems like the answer is simple, yet there are plenty of bands who will play the game. This is a slow f***ing of us who make our living playing live music. Please boycott the show, tell your friends and other bands to boycott the show, and tell the promoter to shove it.
  6. Clank


    Jan 7, 2008
    Huntington Beach
    Endorsing Artist: Ernie Ball Strings
    Two things that caught my attention.
    1. 30min is pretty standard for an opening slot.
    2. I'd stall the owners on the tickets you are supposed to sell until right before you go on, then hand them all back. you won't get to play there again but fun to do. (Yes, I have done that before), I'd do the gig just so I could pull #2.
  7. baalroo

    baalroo Guest

    Mar 24, 2008
    Wichita, KS
    This is a rip-off.

    Why would you even WANT to play this gig, especially as a thrash band? You would be a sucker to play this show. No one except the people you sold tickets to are gonna care about what you play, and you could book a VFW hall or something and sell those same people tickets for half that price, make more money yourselves, get to play a longer set, and your fans (ie:friends) won't have to sit through all the other bands full of suckers.

  8. KingCrimson


    Oct 6, 2008
    Its our first gig though i don't know how else it will go, the montreal scene for a band like us sucks.

    We're good musicians, we write good material and we're tight BUT we just want to go somewhere and not stay stuck in that pay to play rut.

    But we need experience and this is actually great if we get a good slot, lots of people.

    FIRST GIG!!! how else do we gig?
  9. Kuchar


    May 31, 2006
    My band plays shows just like this and we have another one coming next Saturday. We have to sell 30 tickets at $10 a piece and they provide a kick ass PA and they provide the sound guy. They give us 60 tickets which we usually sell the whole stack, putting $300 dollars in our pockets and we get to play badass venues with kick ass lighting etc. etc. At the end of the day, we play a show in front of our 60 people + what the other 5-6 bands bring in on a professional stage with professional sound and cool lighting.

    So in our case, I don't think its all that bad. However, we have lots of dedicated friends and family and we also are starting to gather a small fan base of people we don't know that are starting to ask for tickets. It's kind of cool.

    Or. We could book a hall, sell 60 tickets at $5-10 each but we would have no PA, No Lights, No sweet venue. Eh.
  10. baalroo

    baalroo Guest

    Mar 24, 2008
    Wichita, KS
    Go to other metal/hard rock shows and network. Check myspace for metal/hard rock bands in your area and network. Call up local VFW type places and small "banquet halls" and bingo parlors until you find places that will rent out for $100 - $200 bucks a night (or find out from other bands where the shows get thrown). Rent out a place, get some of the bands you networked with to play with you, put up flyers, send out bulletins on myspace, play show, make friends, break even, get exposure with people who like your kind of music, rinse, repeat.

    The pay to play schemes generally take advantage of lazy people in mediocre bands who have no connections or knowledge of the local area's music scene. I absolutely guarantee in a city the size of Montreal there a PLENTY of metal bands and if you search you will find a scene to participate in.

    The exposure you get with the pay to play will be a bunch of people waiting around to see their friend's folk rock (or country, or nu-metal, or indie, etc) band who just wishes those metal dudes would hurry up so their buddies can play and they can all go home.
    Basically, imagine how YOUR friends would react to a nu-country band playing before you guys and that's how the other people in the audience will be responding to you.
  11. modulusman

    modulusman Inactive

    Jan 18, 2004
    Just another thread about what is wrong with live music today. New bands come along and fall for this crap everyday.:( To the OP you are right to be pissed.
  12. ducatiman


    Oct 3, 2006
    new yawk
    the "promoters" should be arrested. its out and out theft. they are preying on the ambitions of the bands (usually young folk) for "exposure" and to "get your name out there".

    its a CON. in the end they get the money, you get to play...for nuthin.

    your friends spend $ on admission, transportation and see you play for 20 lousy minutes. so they get taken, too.

    CANCEL, stay home and practice or have a band rehearsal...your time will be better spent.

    this crap ought to be outlawed (but you are AGREEING to do it!) tell every musician you know not to fall for this. if you can, tell the other bands, too,before the gig. get as many to cancel out as possible.
  13. KingCrimson


    Oct 6, 2008
    I'm not just saying this WE GOT TALENT, and i hate to see it go to waste. We all read each other very well, our drummer is going to college for music, our guitarist is just phenomenal and i'd like to think i'm a pretty tight bassist. We're not just some band that'll go on and suck we actually take what we do seriously.

    For a young talented band i hate to see **** gigs happen and getting ripped off.

    We're gonna play it though, whats keeping me from overplaying the set and telling them to **** off when they say we're done is the fact they are recording it free through the PA so we'll have a nice sumthin to put on our myspace instead of the crap we have now.

    The song is good but the vocals ughhhh, not so great on the recording (no he has actually improved A LOT since)


    wah distortion bass solo at around 4:00 though its cool:D
  14. my band was paid $100 for a half hour set, and $200 for an hour set, I would demand at least $100 especially if You are selling the tix. fare enough if thet make you hand out flyers, but not sell the tix, That is the Promoters job. I wouldnt be too hesitant to alert the authorities.
  15. KingCrimson


    Oct 6, 2008
    authorities? thats just the thing this is rampant over here!
  16. ducatiman


    Oct 3, 2006
    new yawk
    and you are a willing victim, er, participant.
  17. jellymax

    jellymax Don't fry any wooden fish Supporting Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    SF CA
    some bands in salt lake city have organized against pay to play & have had great
    success. beautiful thing. do a search.
  18. murphy

    murphy Supporting Member

    May 5, 2004
    Smells of EMERGENZA
  19. rokkitt


    Jun 7, 2007
    bronx, nyc
    there is another thread against pay to play

    I cant find it, but it is a good read, and has links to blogs....

    can someone link it/reference it? it is a TB thread...

  20. I'm guessing this is either Emergenza or Supernova running this thing? It's been a few years since I played Montreal, but in my experience they have one of the better metal scenes around. You shouldn't have too much of a problem finding a place to play or other bands to play with.

    You're not just selling yourselves short if you play this show, you are also scamming your friends/fans who are forced to shell out $12 to see a 20 minute show. If you won't say 'no' because you actually think it will be good for your band, at least say 'no' because you'd rather charge your friends $5 to see you play for 45 minutes.

    As a new band you have a short window to impress your friends enough to *want* to come to your shows - they'll come to the first few out of obligation. More value will be more likely to make them want to come back and see you again.