First Parts Bass Project — Seeking Advice

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Backstory: my 16-year-old daughter has picked up the bass while on lockdown. Specifically, she has picked up the Epiphone EB that my 13-year-old son sometimes uses, when forced out of his drummer’s chair. And in no time, she’s gotten pretty good. I lent her my ’73 P for a few days and she actually liked that better, but then there was…an incident…and I had to take my baby back from my baby.

She wants her own bass, and as a musician who is determined to support my kids in their creative pursuits, I aim to deliver—and I want to get her on a full-scale bass before she gets too far in.

She wants, specifically, a hot pink bass. And as a father who is wrapped around her finger, I aim to deliver that, too—but of course, here things get trickier. My options tend to look like $2500 EBMM or $200 Daisy Rock, but not much in between. I could get a Squier and have it refinished, but putting $300 of cosmetics on a cheap instrument doesn’t make sense to me. I mean, I love her, but let’s not be ridiculous.

So here’s the plan: I grabbed an Aerodyne JB at a local pawn shop for cheap. Little crack in the body which may or may not be superficial. (Bass plays fine.) I also ordered this hot pink J body from Guitar Fetish—also super cheap. I’m not a tool-head, but I once installed a Bigsby on an Artcore 335-type and did myself proud, and right now I’m thinking “Cool! I just have to learn to solder, and I’ve got myself (basically) a hot pink MIJ Jazz Bass for about $550.”

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Those of you experienced in this kind of pursuit are probably laughing already.

Of course, I could turn all the pieces over to “my guy” Nick and have him put it all together and deal with whatever issues may arise, but the spirit of lockdown inspires me to try to tackle this myself. So with y’all’s help, I’m leaping into the abyss. I’m aware there’s a decent possibility that this is going to end up a crap bass with a sweet neck; my hope, though, is that I can craft for her a viable instrument that she can learn on and grow with, bond with and play for her whole life if she wants to, without ever having to pick up someone else's bass and think “omg that thing my dad built sucks!"

Here are my questions so far, as my girl goes to work on the Aerodyne as-is and I wait for the body to arrive and contemplate the myriad looming complications and choices…

1) The main question is with the neck pickup. If I take the split P out of the Aerodyne, as planned, I’m going to have to hack away at the body route. And then there’s the whole question of position, which I’m facing as I shop for a pickguard. Do I go Mark Hoppus (non-reversed)? Blacktop? Reggie Hamilton? Or as a lover of the P-bass (and the pure perfection of its natural pickup placement, which a P/J doesn’t easily replicate), do I just get a neck JB pup and make this a full-on Jazz Bass?

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2) Should I just keep the Aerodyne body in its loaded state (for possible resale) and load up the pink body with all new stuff? That allows me to trick out the pink thing to my heart’s content—more expense, but more control and less wrestling with the old body. I guess that comes down to whether the pink body is worth the trouble and expense (and the resale value of a cracked Aerodyne body).

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3) Am I crazy for wanting a single integrated pickguard, a la the Mark Hoppus? Maybe it’s the P-bassist in me, but I hate the separate control plate, and I almost feel like it’s worth the hassle of a custom pickguard, or even letting an available pickguard template dictate what I do with the neck pup.

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That’s all I have for now. It’s a waiting game, I guess, until the body arrives and I try to wrestle the Aero neck onto it. Until then, I’m free to marinate on the possibilities and chew on everyone’s advice. Whaddaya say, TB experts? Any advice both technical and aesthetic is appreciated!
 
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and I had to take my baby back from my baby.
That’s funny! :laugh:

So I’ll start with the PG, my thinking is revolving around that: I don’t think you’re crazy, and Actually think it would look awesome to do all pink-n-black. Black bridge, knobs, everything. (Headstock is black right?) the one-piece PG would be sleek, and unique.

then the pickups. It might rely on what kind of PG you can get, but I’d stick with either PJ or JJ. Classic combos that you know how they’re going to interact. You can go aggressive or vintage, whatever you think she’ll enjoy.

I wouldn’t fret over harvesting a few parts from the Aerodyne if you need them; there are plenty of partially loaded bodies in the classifieds. Do what’s right for the project.

Finally, I’m pretty new to soldering, maybe a year or two. I found it pretty easy to get the hang of. I actually really enjoy soldering! These videos were really helpful when I started:





Have fun! :)
 
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Backstory: my 16-year-old daughter has picked up the bass while on lockdown. Specifically, she has picked up the Epiphone EB that my 13-year-old son sometimes uses, when forced out of his drummer’s chair. And in no time, she’s gotten pretty good. I lent her my ’73 P for a few days and she actually liked that better, but then there was…an incident…and I had to take my baby back from my baby.

She wants her own bass, and as a musician who is determined to support my kids in their creative pursuits, I aim to deliver—and I want to get her on a full-scale bass before she gets too far in.

She wants, specifically, a hot pink bass. And as a father who is wrapped around her finger, I aim to deliver that, too—but of course, here things get trickier. My options tend to look like $2500 EBMM or $200 Daisy Rock, but not much in between. I could get a Squier and have it refinished, but putting $300 of cosmetics on a cheap instrument doesn’t make sense to me. I mean, I love her, but let’s not be ridiculous.

So here’s the plan: I grabbed an Aerodyne JB at a local pawn shop for cheap. Little crack in the body which may or may not be superficial. (Bass plays fine.) I also ordered this hot pink J body from Guitar Fetish—also super cheap. I’m not a tool-head, but I once installed a Bigsby on an Artcore 335-type and did myself proud, and right now I’m thinking “Cool! I just have to learn to solder, and I’ve got myself (basically) a hot pink MIJ Jazz Bass for about $550.”

Photoshop visualization:
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Those of you experienced in this kind of pursuit are probably laughing already.

Of course, I could turn all the pieces over to “my guy” Nick and have him put it all together and deal with whatever issues may arise, but the spirit of lockdown inspires me to try to tackle this myself. So with y’all’s help, I’m leaping into the abyss. I’m aware there’s a decent possibility that this is going to end up a crap bass with a sweet neck; my hope, though, is that I can craft for her a viable instrument that she can learn on and grow with, bond with and play for her whole life if she wants to, without ever having to pick up someone else's bass and think “omg that thing my dad built sucks!"

Here are my questions so far, as my girl goes to work on the Aerodyne as-is and I wait for the body to arrive and contemplate the myriad looming complications and choices…

1) The main question is with the neck pickup. If I take the split P out of the Aerodyne, as planned, I’m going to have to hack away at the body route. And then there’s the whole question of position, which I’m facing as I shop for a pickguard. Do I go Mark Hoppus (non-reversed)? Blacktop? Reggie Hamilton? Or as a lover of the P-bass (and the pure perfection of its natural pickup placement, which a P/J doesn’t easily replicate), do I just get a neck JB pup and make this a full-on Jazz Bass?

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2) Should I just keep the Aerodyne body in its loaded state (for possible resale) and load up the pink body with all new stuff? That allows me to trick out the pink thing to my heart’s content—more expense, but more control and less wrestling with the old body. I guess that comes down to whether the pink body is worth the trouble and expense (and the resale value of a cracked Aerodyne body).

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3) Am I crazy for wanting a single integrated pickguard, a la the Mark Hoppus? Maybe it’s the P-bassist in me, but I hate the separate control plate, and I almost feel like it’s worth the hassle of a custom pickguard, or even letting an available pickguard template dictate what I do with the neck pup.

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That’s all I have for now. It’s a waiting game, I guess, until the body arrives and I try to wrestle the Aero neck onto it. Until then, I’m free to marinate on the possibilities and chew on everyone’s advice. Whaddaya say, TB experts? Any advice both technical and aesthetic is appreciated!
I know you have your preferences, But since your building it for your daughter, I'd ask her opinion on what she wants after all she gonna be the one playing it (hot pink bass) if she doesnt care then go nuts, maybe she is total opposed to Jbasses. or wants a white pearl PG. My friend built his daughter a car to his spec, she didnt like it, broke his heart, ended up selling it for something she thought was cooler. GL
 
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Yeah, I'm making it a point to check in with her and check myself on the regular. Like, she just mentioned yesterday that she had ordered some stickers to put on it, while I was fantasizing about custom shop pickups and a primo loaded control plate. Time to take a step back from my emotional investment.

But yes, she is into the design and has signed off.

I have to remember that It's Not For Me, and only has to be decent. Even if it (or parts of it) are going to revert to my ownership down the line (when/if she gets bored with it), this iteration is for her to express herself with—in ways both musical and not—and she needs to feel free to do that without catching me crying.
 
You could get a EMG geezer PJ set. They are solderless an foulproof to install. Also there are other options like the obsedian wire pre wired solderless jazz bass kit which also works extremely easy.
 
Are there certain pickups/electronic schemes that will relieve me of the need to ground the bridge? That hole is not pre-drilled on body I ordered, and the thought of doing it myself gives me the willies.
 
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Are there certain pickups/electronic schemes that will relieve me of the need to ground the bridge? That hole is not pre-drilled on body I ordered, and the thought of doing it myself gives me the willies.
Take the easy way out and run a ground strip over top of the body from the bridge to the bridge pickup route and from there to the control cavity.
Also, from what I’ve read about Tge guitar fetish bargain bodies is they are like flint arrow heads, no two alike. If you luck up and get one with the right neck pocket and the right bridge location, you will be in the minority of owners. Why not skin the Aerodyne with a solid pink wrap and be done with it. If she abandons it later just remove the wrap and you’ve got a nice black bass to add to your collection. A kid could do worse than going through life with an Aerodyne, not to mention the number if potential problems a wrap heads off before they even become problems.
I’d bet this place could supply you with a solid pink skin.

Guitar Skins, Decals, Stickers & Wraps for Any Guitar!
 
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That pink Jazz looks hot also for macho-men !
Back a while i had a friend who owned a shell pink ESP fiver I’d borrow from time to time. It drew way more positive compliments from the ladies than my natural ash jazz 4 banger. Of course one compliment from a lady on the pink ESP was more than I ever got from the ladies on my jazz.
i did have a very drunk lady back up to me and start rubbing her behind against my right hand hard enough i had to back up to play. One of the perks of your “stage” being a corner of the dance floor I guess. :D
 
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I noticed the body does not have the bridge mounting holes pre-drilled. It is critically important that you measure correctly to get the right placement for the scale of the neck. The Aerodyne neck is "34" scale". The bridge saddle for the G should be 34" from the nut. It must be perfectly centered on the center line of the neck pocket and parallel to the nut. For me this is the scariest part of a build. This guy shows how...
 
I noticed the body does not have the bridge mounting holes pre-drilled. It is critically important that you measure correctly to get the right placement for the scale of the neck. The Aerodyne neck is "34" scale". The bridge saddle for the G should be 34" from the nut. It must be perfectly centered on the center line of the neck pocket and parallel to the nut. For me this is the scariest part of a build. This guy shows how...


ah yes, thanks so much. I realize how critical this is and appreciate the video.

I also intend to drill a hole for the bridge grounding wire.
 
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Here she is—not wired yet. (I accidentally got the lead-free solder, which I gave the old college try before throwing up my novice hands and ordering the right stuff. So that will have to wait.)

I hereby declare the result to be Not The Worst Bass Ever. At 7 lbs. 3 oz, she's neck-heavy but not divey—not enough, anyway, to get me shopping for a light set of tuners. The bridge looks a little crooked (I wonder if it's actually the pickup rout that's wonky) and the neck pocket is beastly—hard lessons learned in my first Frankensteining venture—but she feels good in the hands and resonates well. I can't wait to hear how it sounds plugged in.

Actually, after what will be my first shot at soldering, I'll be curious to hear if it makes any sound at all.

Now what can I do to get those knobs to sit flush?

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Now what can I do to get those knobs to sit flush?
You put nut on the pot shaft before inserting the shaft into the pickguard, then the washer and another nut on top. By adjusting the nut under the pickguard and the one on top you can set the amount of protrusion through the pickguard and thus how close the knobs are to the guard.

And it's best to have a lock washer between the underside nut and the pickguard to prevent the controls working loose.
 
It looks great! Soldering isn't bad once you get the hang of it, and a simple J bass is a good place to learn it. Keep your iron tip clean, tin everything that didn't come tinned from the factory, and focus on heating the parts - then using the hot parts to melt and flow the solder - rather than just melting the solder against the hot iron while it's touching the parts. You mentioned ordering new solder - what did you get?

I see the neck has no dots. Maybe, as an option, you could consider some sticker dots. If your daughter is new to playing, she might appreciate a visual aid, and they're always removable if she decides she doesn't need them.

Having built half a dozen guitars and basses for my kids over the last two years or so, I can totally appreciate your struggle with balancing what she wants versus what you'd do for yourself. Halfway through a guitar for my daughter, built with a typical-for-myself sandwich of fancy figured woods, and she declares that she wants it to be painted a solid color... :eek: Ummm... maybe next time honey!
 
It looks great! Soldering isn't bad once you get the hang of it, and a simple J bass is a good place to learn it. Keep your iron tip clean, tin everything that didn't come tinned from the factory, and focus on heating the parts - then using the hot parts to melt and flow the solder - rather than just melting the solder against the hot iron while it's touching the parts. You mentioned ordering new solder - what did you get?

I see the neck has no dots. Maybe, as an option, you could consider some sticker dots. If your daughter is new to playing, she might appreciate a visual aid, and they're always removable if she decides she doesn't need them.

Having built half a dozen guitars and basses for my kids over the last two years or so, I can totally appreciate your struggle with balancing what she wants versus what you'd do for yourself. Halfway through a guitar for my daughter, built with a typical-for-myself sandwich of fancy figured woods, and she declares that she wants it to be painted a solid color... :eek: Ummm... maybe next time honey!

I got Benzomatic 60/40 Lead Bearing Rosin Core. It seems to tick off all the boxes. But I need some solder wick; may have to resort to Amazon.

It’s funny you mention the dots. I asked her about those, and she said she was fine with the side dots. But I got these anyway:

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I couldn’t bring myself to put them on, initially, but immediately after I had the little glamour photo shoot above, she went to town with some stickers of her own, on the body and pickguard. I wanted to weep—treating a custom-made jazz bass like a Daisy Rock!—but then I reminded myself that the point of this entire venture is to give her a means of self-expression. So there you go.