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First position?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by SpankBass, Oct 2, 2002.


  1. Sorry if I sound like a newb, but can someone explain to me what people are talking about when they say stuff like "first position E" or "Second position..." blah blah blah?

    Thanks in advance for your smartass coments. :D
     
  2. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Missionary, wheelbarrow, ..........
     
  3. *rimshot*

    Ok, ok, but seriously....
     
  4. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member


    Wow - I never believed that somebody could sound so much like a newbie!! ;)
     
  5. Thats it, you are both off my chirstmas card list.
     
  6. kirbywrx

    kirbywrx formerly James Hetfield

    Jul 27, 2000
    Melbourne, Australia.

    Oh you love it you know you do. :)

    Would it mean the first note is an E, or something along the lines of that?
     
  7. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Well, generally they're talking about double bass! But here's how it translates:

    at the point where your first finger is on the first fret, that's half position.

    first finger, second fret is first position

    first finger 3rd fret is second position

    first finger 4th fret is 3rd position

    Are you catchin' this?
     
  8. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Using Classic Simandl:

    First finger 4th fret is intermediate position between 2nd and 3rd.

    first finger 5th fred is 3rd position.

    I think there are other editions of the book geard towards BG that number the positions differently?
     
  9. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    My mistake, Phil. You, of course are correct.

    Simandl for electric bass? What's the world coming to?
     
  10. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    It's also not uncommon for electric bass literature to follow the position descriptions of Classical Guitar, which are much easier to remember than Simandl.

    In this system:
    1st finger 1sr fret = 1st position
    2nd finger 2nd fret = 2nd position
    etc.

    These positions are marked in the musical score above the passage in question (and sometimes bracketed) with an uppercase roman numeral.



    And special thanks to SPAZZBLOW for reminding me of the "wheelbarrow" position. What with the impending fatherhood and all, I'd kinda forgotten about that one.
     
  11. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Don't count on remembering any time soon, Pop ;)
     
  12. stephanie

    stephanie

    Nov 14, 2000
    Scranton, PA
    :eek: Guys! There's a girl in the room! :eek: :eek: :eek: Hehe

    Anyway, I usually use the 1st fret-1st position 2nd fret-2nd position idea. I am always reading everywhere (including here) of different positioning ideas and that tends to confuse me. So we are not wrong in saying these different ways are we? There's no wrong way or specific right way? :confused:
     
  13. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    Nah, the two ways are just different. Personally, I think the classical guitar version makes a lot more sense for plank.
     
  14. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    So then you should be thanking us for injecting ideas into the guys here, who probably could use all the help they can get! :D

    And F SCOTCH TAPE, please don't try the aforementioned non-Simandl position while she is pregnant. A leg slips and oops! Not worth it. And when is that baby going to be born? I'm dying for pictures!
     
  15. All right, I get it. But where does this come to use?

    Or is that something I'm going to find out when I learn to read music (I'm taking a college class right now...)
     
  16. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    If you're talking about position markings, it comes into play on some musical scores which are written specifically for the instrument, where the editor has decided to offer his or her favorite fingering option. It can also be used as a short hand in notating your own fingering for any passage in a piece of music you are working on.

    On the other hand, if you're talking about the wheelbarrow, you'll have to ask JIZZBLOW.
     
  17. Well I would like to get a few more details about the wheelbarrow. Have any websites where I might be able to find more info?

    Bah, nevermind, I'll just learn it in my Human Sexuality class (God I love college.)
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    As we have enticed some DBers into the room, and are talking about being newbies I was thinking of another related question.

    So - as a DB player - what if you saw some guy (or gal) playing DB in a non-Simandl (or any standard type) of fingering and doing alright, but moving about all over the place like a BGer?

    Would you think -

    ahh a newbie going from BG to DB

    or how sad they could achieve so much more with correct fingering !

    or would you not think about it at all as long as they were doing the job?

    etc. etc.
     
  19. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Upper-body strength is key.
     
  20. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Utimately, it would depend on what they sounded like. If they sounded great, how would I know if they would sound better if their technique was different?

    Oscar Pettiford is a name that comes immediately to mind.