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Fish glue ?

Discussion in 'Setup & Repair [DB]' started by Dr Rod, Mar 13, 2006.


  1. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    I was just curious about fish glue, I saw it in the Dick catalog in Germany.

    what difference is there?
     
  2. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Banned Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Don't do it! For some horro stories, read thru here; http://www.talkbass.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1989541

    I saw one old French Bass that was repaired with Fishy stuff. It was back in the shop to be re-done.. At the Luthiers expense..

    If it aint broke, done fix it.. Hide glue works just fine..
     
  3. Jeff Bollbach

    Jeff Bollbach Jeff Bollbach Luthier, Inc.

    Dec 12, 2001
    freeport, ny
    Fish glue in its proper form is supposed to be somewhat stronger than hide glue. But hide glue has proven itself to be perfect in traditional luthier application. Some luthiers recently had a problem using the fish glue sold by Kremer but it was in liquid form. Much the same as using Franklins liquid hide glue. As Ken said, don't bother.
     
  4. mje

    mje

    Aug 1, 2002
    Southeast Michigan
    It's popular with restorers of player pianos. I understand it's better for those applications where you need a lighter, thinner glue, like gluing bellows.
     
  5. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    Thanks guys, I was just curious.
     
  6. Eric Rene Roy

    Eric Rene Roy Supporting Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Mystic, CT
    President: Upton Bass String Instrument Co.
    I can't see the thread you reference Ken. So, without that thread...I maybe
    wrong here...but perhaps the luthier who did the work did not know what they
    were doing??? Fish glue is well received in the restoration world. Also
    lots of speculation in the violin world that fish glue was the choice by the
    Italian masters.

    Fish glue is strong...and expensive. The benefit over traditional hide glue
    will be in the area of repair and restoration...namely gluing fresh cracks.
    The glue, when fresh, dries nearly invisible. The strength should be about
    equal to hide glue...perhaps stronger.

    The good stuff is expensive and made of the membrane from the swim bladder
    of the sturgeon, which is becoming scarce owing to over fishing for caviar
    (thus the prices). It can be pretty stinky! I have found it from Dick and
    Kremer.

    I have been told by a Cremonese restorer that Japanese varieties are
    completely odorless and far stronger than hide glue. Good for cracks, but
    bad for things you want to come apart (like tops). I am unaware of sources
    for the Japanese varieties.

    Good luck. I would try it in a repair or restoration application, not new making.