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Fishermen vs surfer plus a little prejudice to boot

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by MakiSupaStar, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. MakiSupaStar

    MakiSupaStar The Lowdown Diggler

    Apr 12, 2006
    Huntington Beach, CA
    I sometimes work our zero tower which is the tower on our pier. It's the first tower open and my shift starts at dawn. Typically, in the morning, it's just me, some fishermen on the pier, surfers in the water, and a unit that patrols. There was a new swell in the water today, so the surfers were riding the righthander that breaks against the side current on the northside of the pier. When the swell is larger, like today, the take off point is very close to the pier. So about an hour into my shift I see an argument. A surfer has been snagged by a pair of fishermen's lines, and their yelling at and are trying to reel in their lines, thus setting their hooks deeper. Somehow, the surfer cuts their lines, gets free, and manages to make it back out before the next set of waves which could have drowned him. Understandably, the guy was pissed. So he says something (not sure what it was, because I was inside my tower), and more back and forth yelling ensues. Next thing I know, the guy rides in, runs up on the pier, with their line and proceeds to wrap it around them. Then he runs off the pier, and paddles back out to continue surfing.

    The fishermen are shocked and pissed. So they get on the phone, and I assume they're calling the police. The guy fisherman (who looks to have been with his elderly mom) who was about 40 something, heads to the base of the pier (not sure why though). At this time the mom, comes to my tower, and I was curious to see what she was going to say. So I go down to talk to her.

    She says that she's a 'Latino' and doesn't speak English very well. I say, she's doing fine, and to continue. She the proceeds to tell me that she was attacked by a man.

    I said, 'really?'

    She said he was a surfer he suddenly started yelling racist remarks at her and asked her to move. Then he ran up to the pier.

    I then informed her that I saw the whole thing and pointed out that she's missing a big part of the story, and that as far as I'm concerned they were both even, and that my priority goes to the safety of those in the water. If she wanted to pursue it any farther then it's an issue with the police.

    She said they did, but they weren't showing up, which was true. She then called me a racist white American whose only on the side of the surfer because he's white too. I laughed at her, and then she made like she was going to slap me, and walks off.

    So here's the catch. The fishermen have a lot of protected rights to fish from the pier, and the surfers also have a right to surf next to the pier. Having dealt with the fishermen a few times myself, I can't say that I wasn't secretly rooting for the surfer, but the racist thing really threw a new angle for me. So what say you, oh wise OT sages?
  2. kesslari

    kesslari Groovin' with the Big Dogs Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    Santa Cruz Mtns, California
    Lark in the Morning Instructional Videos; Audix Microphones
    Time for some self-exploration. Which I think you are doing, and that's a good thing.

    If you know in your heart that you were siding with the surfer because of what you saw transpire, then it's a coincidence that he and you were both white. There are plenty of Latino and Asian and other surfers in SoCal.
    In that case, the "racism" call is BS.

    If not - then maybe you want to do some more self-examination.

    Who was it said "The unexamined life is not worth living". ?
  3. for starters, obviously, you're not a racist...now that's out of the way.

    were the fishermen doing anything illegal? were they allowed to fish from the pier in the manner they did? were their methods legal.

    because if they were, either this is the controlling authority's fault, or the surfer's fault for surfing where he should have known people were fishing.

    as for her remarks to you...well, that's just idiotic. she doesn't know you (and, of course, love you) like we do...but, she was way out of line.

    i would say if they are going to allow fishing from the pier, then there should be signs warning surfers not to surf too close.


    ps-edit- why were you secretly rooting for the surfer? your post did not indicate that the fishermen were doing anything wrong. based solely upon your post, i would say the SURFER was was out of line. they didn't snag him deliberately (did they?). if he is going to surf where he knows people are fishing, i would say he assumes the risk. am i wrong? any facts i have not comprehended?
  4. bjabass


    Jan 10, 2011
    Mountain South
    You're white, therefore to some non-whites you are racist. That's just the way it is in America in the 21st century. If you try to exonerate yourself it is just more PROOF that you are racist. Could be worse, you could be George Zimmerman...then you would be a white Hispanic racist....

    I used to water ski a lot in undeveloped canals in my hometown in Fl. I had a fisherman cast across my ski with a dual treble hook lure. I was able to dive off the ski before it pulled in to my leg. Fishermen don't have much concern for anyone who uses the water for any other purpose, so I think you did right. Cutting hooks out of your flesh is not a pleasant thought....
  5. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    I wouldn't say racism, but perhaps some preferential treatment for your surfing brother.

  6. elgecko


    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    Who was there first?

    If the fisherman had their lines out and the surfer subsequently paddled out, that's on him for getting tangled in their lines. If he was already surfing and they were casting into his path, that's on them. Fishing, like most other recreational activities conducted on public lands, is a first-come, first-served deal. Without knowing who had dibs, it's impossible to make a call.
  7. colcifer

    colcifer Esteemed Nitpicker Supporting Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    A Galaxy Far, Far Away
    Hard to say without being there but my impressions:

    The fisherman pulling on his lines shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects. The racist thing was probably just her way of dealing with her frustration.
  8. bluesblaster


    Jan 2, 2008
    +1 it should be first come first serve. The second to arrive should yield to the first party already using the space. Its the civil thing to do.
  9. BawanaRik


    Mar 6, 2012
    New Jersey
    It sounds like this gal like to throw the term racist around. As long as this is condoned it will happen. We need to realize that her behavior was clearly racist and her attack on you was a hate crime and should be treated as such.

    She used a weapon, the fishing gear to attack the surfer. And this was another racial motivated hate crime. Two in one day. You owe it to all that is right to see this gal get safely in a jail cell before she creates more hatred.

    She almost killed a man simply because he was a European American. that much is clear. Don't wait until she is successful.

    I find it hurtful that after the hundreds of trillions of dollars of opportunity, benefits and handout European Americans have given to those less able to provide for themselves that there is so much hatred towards us.
  10. BawanaRik


    Mar 6, 2012
    New Jersey
    It looks like she walked after commiting a racial motivated hate crime that almost killed a man. How did the surfer get preferntial treatment?

    Because he was still alive?

  11. slobake

    slobake resident ... something Supporting Member

    No racism or preferential treatment involved. I have been and surfer and a fisherman. No doubt there are people on both sides of this issue who are jerks. As a fisherman you need to remember that what you are doing could pose a danger to others. If you snag a board in the water you should cut your line without hesitation. A few bucks for a line sinker and hooks is not nearly as valuable as a life or even a board. I also think the surfer overreacted.
    I was bellyboarding once at Sunset Beach. Is it still called that? It was between Seal Beach and Huntington Beach. Yes it was a long time ago when a lot of us had Jack's bellyboards. A friend was surf fishing. I heard him yell and hold up his line with a stingray on the end. He cut the line and threw it back in the water. I responded with with a gesture that seemed appropriate at the time.
  12. Lee H

    Lee H

    Nov 30, 2011
    Redding CA
    this reminds me of an issue I had last winter. I was bouncing at a local bar. We normally have a couple lesbian women , but this one night one of them brought in a guy friend.
    I didn't think anything of it, until a woman came to me with a complaint that there was a man in the women's restroom. I went and knocked on the door, and sure enough, a man opened it. I escorted him out of the bathroom, and told him not to go in there again. Not ten minutes later the owner's wife came to me with a complaint about a man in the women's bathroom. I followed her back to the bathroom, she opened the door, and this time I escorted him out of the bathroom again, and at this point I told him to leave. He decided that he was not leaving...now I stand 6' 4", and this guy was taller/larger than I an, so it made quite a scene. He decided to push me out of the way. It did not work so well for him, and I told him not to touch me again, or there would be consequences, that he would not like... His answer was "You cannot hit me. I am Gay. it would be a hate crime, and you would go to jail. "

    Long story short, he went out the front door. At closing time, he tried to fore his way back in. I did not allow it..

    He was still talking smack, and trying to yell over my harley exhaust as I left , after the bar was locked up
  13. BawanaRik


    Mar 6, 2012
    New Jersey
    So if I am target practicing it up to others to get out of my way? Driving?

    Hooks are a weapon. Apparently much more of a problem than safe things like guns.

    If I accidently shot someone, and they aren't in my house or yard etc, I'm responsible. In todays crazy world if I were to shot a car jacker trying to kill me I am held responsible.

    I would think that the same logic applies here.

  14. uh, well, no....

    let's see, we have one itty bitty pier which people can use for fishing.

    we have whole great stretches of beach both to the right and the left of said pier, where people can surf in peace without either A) disturbing the fishermen or B) endangering themselves.

    are you saying the fishermen should give up their one little spot, which, by the way, in most places, is designated as a "fishing pier"?

    i have a better idea, surf either to the right or the left of the pier, far enough away, so that you avoid either A or B above.

  15. UncleFluffy


    Mar 8, 2009
    Head Tinkerer, The Flufflab
    I'm guessing that she wasn't that hot else you'd have said so, but ... quantity over quality?
  16. bluesblaster


    Jan 2, 2008
    Well, if its a designated "FISHING PIER" then the surfers should try to avoid people fishing on the "FISHING PIER" then shouldnt they? unless there just assholes that dont care about other people enjoying an activity in a designatated and clearly marked area. As you say its a big beach and there are more waves other than the ones right next to the pier right?
  17. correct me if i am wrong, but i sense sarcasm in your post, ne?

    but what you have said is correct even if its not a designated "FISHING PIER"

    after all, we don't have designated "SURFING WATER" do we?

    why not show a little courtesy to others. the PIER is the one place people can fish. there are plenty of places to surf, starting with beyond-casting-reach right beside the pier to the right or left. both can enjoy their activities in peace, without disturbing the other. win-win.

    or do i have it wrong?

  18. sandmangeck


    Jul 2, 2007
  19. colcifer

    colcifer Esteemed Nitpicker Supporting Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    A Galaxy Far, Far Away
    I could be mistaken but I believe you can't catch a wave properly just anywhere, there's a specific part of the wave you need to be in as it forms. As mentioned in the OP, this was very close to the pier.

    Since it sounds like the pier wasn't very crowded, I'd have given the surfers the right of way, were I arbiter of the world.
  20. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    We get it: You don't like affirmative action.

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