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Flatwounds for the Epiphone Jack Casady

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by Peter Weil, Jul 27, 2003.


  1. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Right, I've been here before.

    However.....I recently swapped back from Rotosound rounwounds to TI Jazz Flats on my Epi Jack Casady bass, and the combination is interesting (but not ideal).

    The Jazz flats are make this bass TOO bassy and more indistinct, without giving the kind of punch I was looking for.

    I'd like advice from other Jacksters about finding a flatwound to go onto the JC which will bring back some more mids, enough bass but not too much, and which have a nice attack when played fingerstyle.

    A good example of what I hope for is that I put TI Jazz Rounds onto my G-Bass (which was previously very bassy, muddy and deep) and gave the bass much more of the way in mids and attenuated the muddiness which it was sometimes prone to.

    So far my ideas include:
    Fender Flats 9050's
    GHS Brite Flats
    Rotosound GS77 Jazz Bass Flats

    Anyone have any further input?
     
  2. Yggdrasil

    Yggdrasil

    Aug 16, 2001
    Toronto/Buffalo
    Well, I have 2 Casadys - one set up with Dean Markley Blue Steels ML - these are what Jack prefers (in fact he put them on & set up this bass himself)

    The other has the TI Jazz Flats, which I think are ideal!

    I tried D'Addario Chromes, Pyramid Gold & Labella Deep Talkin'tapewounds, all of which I like on other basses, but the Casady with the TIs is unbeatable, IMHO.

    (BTW,Make sure the varitone is set to "50")
     
  3. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Avignon, do you play fingerstyle or pick? I play fingerstyle. Sometimes I wonder if the TI Jazz flats require pick playing to bring out more of the 'flava'.

    I have read few reviews of the Pyramid Golds, both of which were very uncomplimentary - stating essentially that both players found them very thuddy with no sustain or much tone!! Not what I expected to hear after reading a favourable review of them several years ago in Bass Player.

    Dean Markley Blue Steels - are they flats or rounds?

    Peter
     
  4. Yggdrasil

    Yggdrasil

    Aug 16, 2001
    Toronto/Buffalo
    fingerstyle only.

    the Markleys are rounds.
     
  5. PhilMan99

    PhilMan99

    Jul 18, 2003
    US, Maryland
    At the risk of stating the obvious, be sure to try different hand positions when plucking stings (bridge, over pickups, over fretboard, etc.). TI Flats respond nicer (more variety) than the Elixir strings I was using in this regard. TI Flats actually have pretty-good "high-end response" for flats, BTW.

    As for other strings, a recent post suggested that SIT makes a flatwound with more punch/high-end. The same post said SIT makes regular flatwounds, so I guess SIT makes more than 1 kind of flatwound. I like juststrings.com, BTW, for both buying strings, and to see what is offered by various manufacturers. D'Addario "Chromes" also have more high-end, but they're really "ground-wounds", not true flat-wounds.
     
  6. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    I agree about how the JC responds to hand placement. And quite right, the mids become more prominent the closer I play to the bridge. However I still feel that the Thom flats just aren't the right sound for how I play.

    I'll have a look at the SIT strings. I'm almost at the point of just buying a job lot of flats and having a go with all of them....

    Pete
     
  7. PhilMan99

    PhilMan99

    Jul 18, 2003
    US, Maryland
    Depending on how picky you are regarding action on your neck (specifically the truss-rod adjustment), you may care to note the "tension" in the flat-wounds you put on. Some flat-wounds are said to have very high tension, which can damage a neck not designed for flat-wounds, or at least require a truss-rod adjustment.

    For reference, TI Jazz Flats (which you seem to have now) have very low tension (less than most round-wounds, even!).
     
  8. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    This is true. I'm not sure how much string tension the Epi JC is set up for.

    However this is still getting away from the main point - anyone got any more specific experiences with the JC and specific brands of flats?
     
  9. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
  10. I just spotted this thread.

    Peter, within three days of getting my Jackbass, I put on a set of Rotosound 77 flats.

    These strings compliment the Casady bass so well, because they cater to its acoustic-type vibe, and are pretty bright for a flat string. They were never boomey IMHO, and while they'll never equal the sustain of a roundwound, they weren't too dissimilar if you dug in a bit.

    I think of them as one of the brighter flatwound strings you can buy before moving into some of the darker sounding roundwounds. Some say they have high tension, and maybe they do, but, they never did anything to my bass, and I liked the way they felt.

    One string I DO NOT recommend are the LaBella 1954 James Jamerson set, at least not for a Jackbass. I put a set on just experimenting; I could feel the extra tension as soon as I touched the strings - TOO MUCH! They also sounded thuddy to me, and didn't have nearly as much treble as the Rotos. They might work on a P-bass, but, not on a Casady. I had them on about 3 days, then bought another set of 77s.

    After the 77s, I tried D'Addario slowounds, which I liked, until I tried a set of Dean Markley Blue Steels. I love these strings.

    If I decide to go back to flats, it'll most likely be the Roto 77s. I didn't like the Fender flats that came on my MIM jazz either; too dull sounding.

    I haven't tried any other flats, so I can't comment on them, but, I think you'll at least like the Rotos, if not love 'em.

    Let us know if you try them. Good Luck.

    Mike
     
  11. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Thanks Mike.

    Roto 77s sound good. I'll be stepping out to purchase a set today!

    Pete
     
  12. Peter Weil

    Peter Weil Seeker of The New Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Hi all,

    Quick update. I ended up buying Rotosound RS77 Jazz Bass Flats.

    They sound fantastic on this bass. Very full tone but starting to mellow out nicely with just a touch more thump. Very good for this bass and my style of playing. I can happily recommend these strings for this bass.

    Sincerely,
    Peter
     
  13. rllefebv

    rllefebv

    Oct 17, 2000
    Newberg, Oregon
    This is yet another thread where Mike makes a winning suggetion on strings for the JC bass... I tried the Blue Steels on his recommendation and haven't looked back since! Thanks Mike!

    -robert
     
  14. Peter, glad I could be of help. Those are my favorite flats so far; I wouldn't recommend anything I really didn't like. They compliment the Jackbass' sound perfectly, don't they? ;)

    Robert, I'm glad you liked the Blue Steels, but, I must give credit where credit is due. If it wasn't for Boogiebass first telling me about them, and that these are the strings Jack uses on his Casady, a lot fewer of us would know about "The Blues."

    So, three cheers for Boogiebass. Because of him, I have Blues on three of my five basses! :)

    In the end, what's the real purpose of this site, other than to Talkbass :D and exchange info.

    VIVA TALKBASS!!!

    Mike :cool: