Fonding member weakest link

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by BASSMASTER105, Jul 2, 2008.



    Jul 16, 2006
    Help! Advise needed heres the deal in a busy working band
    we a not getting the better gigs we would like because the
    founding members singing sucks everywhere we play we are
    repetedly told this from club managers to patrons,same thing
    your band is awsome singer sucks. Hes has had sucess in the past playing the same old worn out stuff so he wont give it up.
    we as a band have no input as to what we play and who sings the founder is very self serving his girfriend tells him he is great and man he sucks.Now all being said heres the deal he is a great guy we all like him we have fun but we can do far better if we were to break away on our own there is no doubt .We range from 25-50 we are all good solid musicians
    and are wll respected by are fellow musicians.Would you guys
    lay it on the line with him like we want more input or else,or
    we have been told by many many people you suck and we are
    leaving,the thing is were booked into september and dont want to leave anyone hanging.I have been elected to make the desiscion for all of us i am not one to hurt someones feelings but this has to be done.How would you handle this?
  2. What you need to do is get everybody in the same room together and just lay it all out. Exactly how you all feel.

    There is no easy way.

    Don't let the rest of the band make you the fall guy. They all have to make the decision with you.
  3. twistdpair

    twistdpair Endorsing Artist: Enzyte Male Enhancement Products

    Aug 28, 2007
    We got rid of two brothers that had started the band. They owned the PA, and we rehearsed at one of their houses. They were also really good dudes and decent players, but they didn't fit. It was a difficult thing to do.

    The other 4 in the band wanted to stay together, but nobody dug playing with the brothers.

    If we hadn't done it, the band would have fallen apart, which I suspect would happen to yours if you all feel the same way. Everyone will start looking for greener pastures and jump ship when the opportunity arises.
  4. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    if this is really case, then the decision has been made for you.
  5. jweiss


    Jul 5, 2007
    Park City, Utah
    Fondling member weakest link?
  6. 105-
    Sounds like this is his band and you're the sidemen. Not an uncommon situation...the front man is the 'least talented' but does all the booking, communicates with the audience and works the room. If that's the case, don't let that skill escape you because it does have value.
    If I were you, I wouldn't speak for the band. Get everyone together and discuss it. You might suggest that the band hire a new singer and update your material. If the founding member doesn't budge, you and your buddies should tell him that you will be taking steps to move on.
    There's enough drama in life...playing in a band should be fun.
  7. QORC


    Aug 22, 2003
    Elberon, New Jersey
    punctuation. embrace it.
  8. IanStephenson

    IanStephenson UnRegistered User

    Apr 8, 2006
    There seems to be saying there are actually TWO problems:
    His singing sucks.
    He's a control freak.

    You seem sugguest that if you had more input you could rectify his poor singing (that there's more to it that just being plain BAD)?

    Step one is to figure out if it's HIS band or a shared band.

    If it is HIS band, and you have no input then the only answer is to walk away. However you can do this with a clear conscience (and a months notice), because it's just a job. If you have no rights in the band then you have no responsibility.

    If you did get input, what would you do to fix it, other than sack him?

  9. So, the other band members have verbally agreed with your position here, right? They all want to move on?

    If so, this really shouldn't be a very hard decision. Especially if owners and patrons are expressing dissatisfaction.
  10. makaky


    Mar 26, 2004
    Montreal Canada

    fixed ;)
  11. Rune Bivrin

    Rune Bivrin Supporting Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Huddinge, Sweden
    Try adding a little more low mids, and back off on the bass. You could try adding a compressor to your signal chain.

    Also, make sure the neck relief is properly adjusted.

    My reading ability is directly proportional to your writing skills...
  12. staindbass


    Jun 9, 2008
    I THINK YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.... everyone quit the band, and start a new one. that way, your not firing the founding member. if he is that great, he will have a new band in a week. staind had a bassist for the first year, you gotta do what you gotta do. i replaced him and he is doing roofing now. johnny a
  13. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008

    You are employees. Employees can quit anytime. Just like they can be fired. Two weeks notice is accepted business practice.

    If you speak up alone as a member of the band, you will most likely be fired on the spot. He'll get a replacement soon enough and continue on, just like he has before you joined the "band".

    I've been in your position and the bottom line is that you're a pawn in his musical chess game. Narcissists only care about themselves. Time to move on.

    Good luck with your new band.
  14. gyetman


    Dec 2, 2007
    We were in a similar position a couple of years ago. As a band, we decided to get rid of our lead singer/guitarist and I was elected to break the news to him. Here's what I learned from the situation:

    1. Don't fire him over the phone. He deserves to be told face to face.
    2. He's going to be pissed. Don't expect him to be all understanding. Let him vent and get everything off his chest.
    3. Fire him as a band. He's going to have specific questions for each band member. Plus, it shows him that this is a group decision.
    4. It sucks. It's not easy but once it's done you won't be sorry. You'll be more sorry if you don't do something about it.

    Let us know how it goes and good luck.