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Foreign Citizenship

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by volumefiend, Aug 12, 2004.

  1. What does a guy like me have to do to move somewhere else? Just because I was born here doesn't mean I stay here. I want to move out to another country...perhaps Sweden, Norway, Scotland, Wales, even Austrailia. It's not as if it would cost any more to live somewhere else than here...in many cases cheaper!

    So does anybody know an easy route to target planning? Are there agents I can contact that can take care of this kind of stuff...like citizenship and all the paperwork for me? Any experiences?
  2. Depends. Can you fit into a semi-large wodden crate? :D ;)
  3. Some advice, visit twice, or thrice, is it nice? :D

    Make sure you like the place before you move, don't rely on what broshures tell you. They lie, some get dumb people to move their and pay taxes :eyebrow:

    *proud of little ryhme* :cool:
  4. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    For Australia, there are imigration agents. It depends a little on what your circumstances are. If you get a job with a big company, they can sponsor you to work here for a number of years (up to 5?) and then you can apply for citizenship.

    There are also places for skilled migrants to come into Australia (ie specialist areas that we need). However if you are an unskilled migrant and have no sponsorship, you probably need to just put your name of a list and wait till your number is called!

    This may help: http://www.dimia.gov.au/migrate/index.htm
  5. Lackey


    May 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Har har, not from what I've seen, unless you're thinking 3rd world.
  6. in sweden a rather large apartment in stockholm is only ~$465 us/mo rent. fish food! try that in SF or any other large city. thousands more!

    And, mark, what skills are in demand down under?

    i was never too good with a boomerang :( :p

    *ah, american ignorance* :D
  7. I always thought it would be cool to live in England or Australia...but if anything, I might spend a semester abroad or something, just to experience that.

    despite some of our flaws, i still like living here.
  8. kserg


    Feb 20, 2004
    London, UK

    Well you also have to consider wages people get... apartment in Moscow can be $100, but HAY average salary is $120 :)

    If it was me, I like to move where I know 1 or 2 people, that way I know what there is to-do there and it’s easier to fit in :)

    CA rocks though:) I will move from here when all my friends move out:p

  9. :( No one likes my ryhme :bawl:

  10. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    But you pay 25% VAT last I've heard, other taxes are pretty harsh too compared to the US.

    Did I mention alcohol prices? ;)
  11. bmc


    Nov 15, 2003
    Living abroad is a worthwhile experience for the right people. I don't think it is for everyone. There are a number of ways of looking into it. Travel to the countries that interest you. Check out the labour market. Are their language restrictions, employment restrictions aimed at protecting nationals, etc. Finding the right place to throw out the anchor for a while goes beyond immigration issues. Cost of living, apartments, cars, gas, transportation, groceries, beer, etc.

    Another way to do it is to try to get hired from abroad. That can see your move paid for, necessary work permits lined up, etc. That's a nice way to go and pretty effortless.

    From a life experience, it's just great. Lots to learn from other cultures. Great food, languages to learn. Interesting cars on the road.

    Good luck.
  12. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Nope - virtually any big City in Britain, the cost of living is about twice as high as in the US - and as has been mentioned, in most European countries you would be paying a lot more Tax - probably a lot of taxes that you've never even heard of!! ;)

    A work colleague/friend of mine has just taken redundancy and is in the process of emigrating from London to North Carolina and he is gloating over the fact that everything is half the price and he get can get twice as much house there, for the same price as he has just sold his house in London - with vastly more surrounding land!!
  13. Don't rely on your feelings for a country when visiting as a tourist as a guide for how you'll feel working there.

    I spent a year working in CT, USA. The novelty wore off after a few months, and then it became like any other place - you get up, work, come home, goof around, rinse and repeat. The only thing that differs is the attitudes of the people around you (in my case European vs. US) and, depending on where you end up, the activities that available to you for your spare time. viz. I enjoy skiing and was able to spend weekends skiing in VT, ME, etc.

    Cheaper accommodation is probably linked to lower wages - so you won't necessarily have loads more spare cash floating around...

    Anyway, good luck!
  14. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Of course - but if you get a nice, fat redundancy payment in the UK , it'll go a lot further in the US - you might not even need to work!! :)
  15. bmc


    Nov 15, 2003
    Other issues to consider: quality and accessibility to good health care, personal security.

    Interesting comment fom MKS: The novelty wore off after a few months, and then it became like any other place - you get up, work, come home, goof around, rinse and repeat.

    I believe there are three stages to being an expat:
    Stage 1: Honeymoon. feels like an extended holiday.
    Stage 2: Everybody drives you crazy
    Stage 3: realization that you have to live somewhere and every place has its pros and cons.

    It's a great experience.
  16. DigMe


    Aug 10, 2002
    Waco, TX
    Hey man, I lived and taught in China for a year. There are a ton of expats over there and it's very easy to get a job teaching English to Chinese students in a college setting, especially if you have a degree. If you don't have a degree you could probably still get work. It's really cheap to live over there too and there are a lot of foreigners. If you're interested you could do a google search for "americans teaching in China" or some things like that or if you PM me I could give you the name and email of a guy who recruits Americans to teach over there.

    I know China doesn't sound like something you had in mind and it may even sound scary or something but it was a fantastic experience and China is an incredibly interesting place. Of course I wouldn't want to be a citizen of China but then again I'm not interested in being a citizen of anywhere else either. Why do you have to get citizenship? Why not just be an American living overseas?

    brad cook
  17. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Just my experience because I wanted to live very much in New Zealand (that place has their s**t together like nowhere else) or Australia;

    Get their newspapers and contact US employment consultants who do international searches.

    The reason I say that is because if their governments know you are arriving with a job opportunity, they will often welcome you as opposed to some jerk who thinks, "Well, maybe I'll find me a job drivin' a tractor or a dump truck."

    But don't be too disappointed if you get turned down. I was all set up to get a very nice position in one of my favorite cities, Toronto, Canada, but - at the time - the Canadian Parliament was putting pressure on Canadian firms to hire only native Canadians. :crying:
  18. bmc


    Nov 15, 2003
    Next month, I start my seventh year as an expat. Three years in Switzerland, three years in Bahrain. Thoroughly enjoyed both places. Learned a lot about local cultures. Had some truly unique experences with the locals.

    From a music perspective, I have never been busier as a bass player. Both countries have a strong expat community that likes music you don't hear on local radio. Plus, there are guys from home here that play that have a comfort level hooking up with people that enjoy the same music.
  19. widefat


    May 2, 2004

    Yes and Amen.
    I have lived in Germany for 3 years and England for 5, plus spent up to one month continous on 5/7 continents (not Australia or Antactica).

    Dont give up your citizenship until you have tried living on the economy in a foreign country.
    Most people dont realize how sweet life is in the the USA, and take it for granted.
  20. This country keeps looking better and better.