Dismiss Notice

Psst... Ready to join TalkBass and start posting, make new friends, sell your gear, and more?  Register your free account in 30 seconds.

Fretless Jaco sound

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by bassman314, Nov 12, 2005.


  1. bassman314

    bassman314 I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process... Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 13, 2005
    Bay Area, CA
    so I'm getting a fretless soon...

    I want to eventually be able to get the sound Jaco gets in Birdland and few other songs. I'm assuming it's one (or more) synth or envelope filter pedals. Any hints?
     
  2. Jaco didn't play the synth sounds. That's the keyboard player.

    IIRC, Jaco only used a digital delay and the fuzz from his Acoustic 360.
     
  3. vikunja

    vikunja

    Oct 29, 2004
    Norway
    On Birdland it sounds like he's using the bridge pickup, and in some places bridge pickup with huge amounts of reverb!

    and of course pinched harmonics in the beginning
     
  4. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    And if you want to play the Moog synth sounds with the bass, you need a bass synth pedal. All of them do this kind of stuff.
     
  5. for the most part jaco really didn't use effects afaik, all i can suggest is what has been said before, like play on the bridge pickup, and i would suggest a chorus pedal, because those sound nice with a fretless :)
     
  6. stu FORD

    stu FORD

    May 22, 2004
    when jaco's parts sound synthy, its becuase joe zawinul is doubling them on keyboard. and zawinul did this a great deal.
     
  7. fretless jazz bass w/ Rotosound roundwound strings, all controls on bass turned all the way up, roll off the neck pickup a bit, as far as effects he used the fuzz built into his acoustic 360 amp, a delay pedal, and i swear ive heard him use a chorus...on his amp ur looking for a good deal of midrange and some solid bass w/ a pinch of treble - kinda like jack bruce's "frown" curve w/ a touch more bass...that should be a good start for the sound ur looking for
     
  8. zombywoof5050

    zombywoof5050

    Dec 20, 2001
    Birdland (at least the Heavy Weather version) was played on a fretted bass.
     
  9. WillBuckingham

    WillBuckingham

    Mar 30, 2005
    Bassman314, what recordings have you listened to? I think you should throw yourself at the listening side of this music, and then the tone settings for your bass and your playing style will be easy to sort out. I would start with roundwound strings though.
     
  10. Marcus Willett

    Marcus Willett Supporting Member

    Feb 8, 2005
    Palm Bay, FL
    Endorsing Artist: Bag End - Dean Markley - Thunderfunk
    Not the version on "Heavy Weather", no. It's quite obviously a fretless; it's especially apparent when he does the long slide from E to C right before the pre-chorus.

    Not trying to start a fight, but it's a fretless, absolutely.
     
  11. Ever heard the word "overdubbing"?
     
  12. Marcus Willett

    Marcus Willett Supporting Member

    Feb 8, 2005
    Palm Bay, FL
    Endorsing Artist: Bag End - Dean Markley - Thunderfunk
    Um....yeah....? And I've heard plenty of Jaco too...your point would be what? He played fretted on portions of the track and overdubbed certain sections? That wasn't his style especially on his (more-or-less) debut with Weather Report.

    Besides, I used to talk to Othello and Peter Yianilos about Jaco quite a bit in my 3 years with him. I am pretty familiar with his work.

    Is there some reason folks seem to think Jaco was not playing a fretless on that tune when

    1) That's what he usually played and,

    2) It clearly is even upon casual listening

    :eyebrow:
     
  13. bassman314

    bassman314 I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process... Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 13, 2005
    Bay Area, CA
    wow... I didn't want to unleash a pandora's box over Jaco *L*

    Anyway, the advice is great.. I have an SVT-3pro, which does have a decent amount of midrange and treble, when I dial it in. I have good fuzz and OD, thanks to EHX.

    All this time I thought that opening was Jaco... *L* never occurred to me it was a synth.. meh.. oh well..

    Still, I think I can GET that sound, so it sounds like any of the synth pedals should work...
     

  14. just want to let u kno that the first melody that kicks in right after the synth intro (sounds like guitar) is jaco doing harped (pinched) harmonics...interesting, no?
     
  15. BassyBill

    BassyBill The smooth moderator... Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    West Midlands UK
    I've wondered that myself a few times. Sure sounds like a fretless to me.

    So.. anybody got a definitive answer? Did he use two basses or what? Where did this "Jaco did the Heavy Weather version of Birdland on a fretted bass" come from?

    (Note for interested parties - some interesting meme stuff going on here, perhaps?)
     
  16. zombywoof5050

    zombywoof5050

    Dec 20, 2001
    Sorry, but I can't agree. The bending of the false harmonics is unmistakable (I know it can still be done on a fretless, but this ain't on a fretless). Plus I have two different videos of him using a fretted bass on the song. The only version that I'm not quite sure about (whether he uses fretted or fretless) is the version on "Live and Unreleased".
     
  17. zombywoof5050

    zombywoof5050

    Dec 20, 2001
    I've got two videos of him playing it on a fretted bass.
     
  18. zombywoof5050

    zombywoof5050

    Dec 20, 2001
    I don't guess you've seen any of the videos of this song, have you?
     
  19. just for arguement's purpose (i really don't care what jaco used, all i know is that he is great with any bass he play) but are these videos from the studio or live?
     
  20. I've seen Jaco playing a fretted a few times, but I'm 99% sure that Birdland is fretLESS. There are a few times in the song where it's extremely obvious that he is.
    As for the intro (artificial harmonics), it could go either way. I know when I play that, I can't get them that clear on a fretless. BUT, it's JACO we're talking about. I'm fully confident that he could do it no problem with a fretless. Just because it's easier/sounds better on a fretted, doesn't mean he used one.