Fretless Vibrato!!

Discussion in 'Rocket Music' started by RocketMusic, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Ever since my fretless became a beast of an instrument (thanks to the recent electronics swap I had done by the fine folks at Roscoe), I've been inspired to get my vibrato chops together. I've read all kinds of articles, watched all kinds of youtube clips & spent a fair amount of time just experimenting on my own... all with very little success. I was trying to roll the pad of my finger on top of the string, but that was taking way to much hand motion for me to think I was doing it properly. :help:

    Then I found this article!! For me, the lightbulb went off when he started talking about the bone of your finger and the fleshy pad of your finger as two separate things. Lock down one, and the other can still move. Although that made the squeamish part of me go "eewwwww", I tried it. And it worked. Right away. All four fingers. :eek::hyper:

    So thank you very much to fretLessSince68 on fretlessbass.com!! You just took my vibrato from 0 to 80% in less than 5 minutes of reading. I still need to develop control and get it working equally well with all four fingers... but I'm definitely on my way. Hopefully that'll help some of you guys out there struggling with it, too.

    Does this "move your bone rather than your skin" approach jibe with you guys who already have your vibrato in full swing?
     
  2. ()smoke()

    ()smoke()

    Feb 25, 2006
    California
    very cool, your short description gets the idea across well...although i don't currently have a fretless, i was just trying it on my desk, and i can see that it will be something cool to try if/when i get another fretless :)
     
  3. Yup, BOTH the "guitar" and "violin" types are actually useful on fretless bass - I even "mix" them sometimes in a technique I've heard referred to as "circular" vibrato, where you actually "draw" a little circle with your fingertip on the fingerboard. It gives a really odd "seasick" kind of vibe to the vibrato.

    :)

    Good stuff!
     
  4. Script3d Mus3

    Script3d Mus3 Guest

    Apr 2, 2012
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Local Hero: MTD Kingston
    Just be careful not to overdo the vibrato...sometimes it comes across like your trying to hide bad intonation
     
  5. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Yeah, for sure. Up to now, with my lack of vibrato, I've found myself sliding into and out of too many notes. I think it's a subconscious attempt to make it obvious that I'm playing fretless. My hope is that with a decent vibrato in my tool kit, I'll stop doing that so much. Too much of anything stinks in my book...
     
  6. nostatic

    nostatic Supporting Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    central coast
    Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs
    I've had people mention that my playing sometimes makes them sick. This must be the reason! :D
     
  7. Jeff Moote

    Jeff Moote Supporting Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Beamsville, ON, Canada
    Even though I played fretless BG before I took up DB, I feel that my DB studies really helped my vibrato and also helped teach me when and how to apply it.

    The stuff posted previously is pretty accurate about how to move the finger, etc. The only thing I would add is that rather than trying to make all of your fingers equally good, you can embrace the fact that some are better than others and work your fingerings around that. For me, and almost anyone on DB the 2nd finger has the most control, followed by the 3rd, then 1st and the 4th is almost so bad you avoid it if at all possible. Making all four fingers equally good at a technique is very much a "guitar" thing, and yeah, I try to do it too of course. Vibrato, though, I treat as a borrowed technique from DB and my technique shows that. That's just my take on it though, and there are lots of killer fretless players with way more technique than I can even understand sometimes (Michael Manring anyone?)
     
  8. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Interesting notes on the finger priorities. That order is exactly what I'm experiencing. Loving my middle finger, hating my pinky. Darn nature. :)
     
  9. Oddly enough, just to show how each of us is different (or in my case, really freakin' weird! :p ), my pinky is my strongest for vibrato!
     
  10. Bipslapper

    Bipslapper Well Ahoy, Paloi

    Sep 20, 2009
    Cape Cod, MA
    For some reason, living and driving around the streets of Boston, etc.., I find my middle finger is my strongest.

    Funny how that is, huh????
     
  11. Ryan L.

    Ryan L. Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Aug 7, 2000
    West Fargo, ND
    Being a truck driver, who drives through and around in many major cities, I have a VERY strong middle finger as well.
     
  12. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Mmmmmmm. I just ordered a set of TI flats for my fretless. I don't recall ever being this excited about a set of strings. LOL.

    :rollno::D:D:D
     
  13. SteveC

    SteveC

    Nov 12, 2004
    NE ND
    Vibrato can be different for different music. There are many ways to use it - I'm speaking of my orchestra students. It makes your playing very expressive. Slow and wide, fast and narrow. Makes me want a fretless again.
     
  14. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Heh-heh. I've got some of those, too!! Danger!! :D
     
  15. JBFLA

    JBFLA Roscoe FANatic

    Apr 8, 2003
    Jupiter FLA
    Greg -

    I played TI's for years (Flats, Jazz rounds, Power Rounds and Super Alloys)...great strings, long lasting, but expensive. Supposedly more equal tension but I couldn't tell. Had Flats on a fretted Jazz and one of my fretless basses.

    Only reason I changed brands was because I the TI's sounded compressed under a strong right hand technique. I'm sure you've heard this and I think it may be less of an issue with fretless, but something to consider.




     
  16. SteveC

    SteveC

    Nov 12, 2004
    NE ND
    I know;-)

    An unlined fretless 4 would be much more practical - though not as fun and sexy as a 6.
     
  17. kesslari

    kesslari Groovin' with the Fusion Cats Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    Santa Cruz Mtns, California
    Lark in the Morning Instructional Videos; Audix Microphones
    Very cool, Greg. Glad to hear you're enjoying life without speedbumps.
     
  18. Jeff Moote

    Jeff Moote Supporting Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Beamsville, ON, Canada
    I love TI Jazz Flats! They don't play like flats at all but they sound fantastic. I like the Jazz Rounds too, in a different way. I have never played them on a fretless but I think they'd work quite well, as long as you're not looking for the zing of rounds :cool:

    I had a (fretted) bass strung E-C for awhile with Jazz Flats on the E and A and Jazz Rounds for D, G and C. I liked that a lot and they blended together surprisingly well.
     
  19. RocketMusic

    RocketMusic Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 31, 2007
    Blacksburg, VA
    Owner, Rocket Music
    Whoa!!! Got the TI Jazz flats yesterday and put 'em on last night. Holy smokes, vibrato is soooo much easier with flats!!! Why didn't I get that memo a coupla years ago?!? LOL.

    So now I'm seeing that just sliding your finger tip along the string is possible. I haven't gone back and tried that with roundwounds yet, but I see guys do that sometimes on fretted basses (I know I've seen Jerry and Cameron do it). I was never able to do that with any level of control on roundwounds, but maybe I'll develop that ability now that I can do it so easily on flats...
     
  20. Darkstrike

    Darkstrike Return Of The King!

    Sep 14, 2007
    They're magic strings.