only time I've ever really seen a used SUB for sale/trade was here. Only major difference between this and that is color, and casing. Cosmetically about an 9 or a 9.5. The top of the head has some paint off. That's it and that's all. I'll have pics up later. SUB is in Teal, regularly goes for $700 new. Perfectly does the MusicMan Stingray sound; I don't think MusicMans (MusicMen?) are hit-or-miss basses like the Fender factory line can be, but if they are this is a hit for sure. If were up to me, I'd keep and just have myself what I want; but I must get rid of what I'm attached to for a great good: I want a MusicMan Bongo. $475 shipped. Will do local pickup for less. Will also include new strings & gigbag. Some pics of me (...yes I look weird) and my bass: I had this up before but deleted it cause the title wouldn't change to the new price.