I am writing this review because I just, finally, hooked up my complete rig arsenal! My cab, amp, and sonic maximizer are all hooked up, and I can finally hear and tweak accordingly to how I will sound on stage. So here is the most accurate reviews I can give on both if anyone is thinking about getting either bass. The Guitars are a Kingston 5 and Traben Phoenix 4 Kingston Fretless 5 Man alive does this thing have mids.. Thats all it is, is a MIDs Monster. With the tone control all the way you can almost feel the mids in your brain, with it on halfway there is very mild bass, but still loads of mids. And with the tone control all the way down its just muddy, with little mids and little bass. The bass plays amazingly, low action, super fast neck, and great string spacing! The tone is one I love, hi-fi all the way, but it does lack lows. This is where the BBE Sonic Maximizer comes in handy, it adds SO MUCH BOOTY to the bass that in essence, has no booty at all. I put the BBE to about 3 o'clock and I have a perfect thump, and those mids. So overall, this bass is awsome, great hi-fi sound, and great playability. It just lacks alot of lows, but get a BBE Sonic Maximizer and you will have no problems! Traben Phoenix Fretted 4 This is a completly different beast. Traben has their own pickups, made for them. They add THUMP. When I say they add thump, I don't just mean lows and good tone, I mean Beat on Your Chest THUMP-A-THUMP-A-THUMP! Tons of tonal control, the deepest P sound to the most nasal highs, you can get a bunch of tones. It is a huge funk machine though, great for slapping. Wide space, and tight tight string tension, with a 35" scale, and string through body. With the warmth and thump of the pickups, you have got to hear this thing being slapped! The bridge, (HUGE HUGE) flame bridge adds all the sustain you could imagine. I moderatly plucked a note, and it rung out for almost a minute before it finally dissapated. It is very heavy though, a very thick body, maple neck with graphite reinforcement. It feels like you've pitched 9 innings after playing it for about an hour. That is the only downfall, but it is so beautiful to look at. Great craftsmanship! And very versitile- I would rate its versatility to that of the Ibanez ATK series. Ok, those are my reviews on my basses. My Rig review will be on the Amp forum... Back to the Socks-Yanks game.