Fuzz + Envelope Filter = Big Volume Jump

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by monkeyfinger, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. monkeyfinger

    monkeyfinger Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    I have a Xerograph Deluxe envelope filter that I use with an expression pedal. I like to use a fuzz pedal in front of it for an analog synth bass sound. I set up the output gain on each pedal to be at unity or slightly above. At performance volumes in a loud female-fronted rock band, the overall balance remains consistent when I use either pedal alone. When I combine pedals, the bass volume jumps significantly. This is especially true of the lower frequencies. This results in a wash of deep bass that drowns out the rest of the band, including the singer. I made some adjustments to fix to the issue. I lowered the resonance peak. I also play very softly when the vocalist sings. The down side of these approaches is that the effect is greatly reduced. Recently I added a compressor, a Maxon CP-9 Pro+, after the Xero with a high threshold and ratio. It is set to just come on when feed the deepest notes. I have not had the chance to use this in rehearsal yet, but in solo practice it seems to tame, and tighten-up, the lows very well. It became pretty clear to me that getting the lows under control is the key to making this work for me. I am happy with the solution. I would prefer to fix the problem at the source if possible. I have been thinking about making an eq change before the effects that gets enabled at the same time I engage the effects. (I have the effects on a switchable loop.) This could be either an eq pedal or a pickup change. I just need to make the change quickly and smoothly. I would like to hear how you addressed this type of problem. Thanks.
  2. I would try a high-pass filter. If that doesn't work, just sell me your Xero :D
  3. IncX


    Jul 23, 2007
    thats one of the reasons why i sold my xero deluxe. the 2nd reason is that there is no way to control the timing of the envelop...

    i had an easier time with the mxr filter. it did not sound as cool as the xero deluxe, but well... i'd rather have a tamed pedal than an unpredictable/wild one
  4. try putting the envelope filter first then into the fuzz...the filter is reliant on dynamics so it should get a clean signal...putting a fuzz in front of it will change how it responds...if you're still getting volume spikes then add the compressor after both of those pedals..
    WayToHip and SandCBass like this.
  5. DeltaPhoenix

    DeltaPhoenix Supporting Member

    Apr 6, 2011
    Have you tried a Volume pedal?
  6. monkeyfinger

    monkeyfinger Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    I was using a Pink Elephant fuzz before the Xero. (This is an octave fuzz based on the Ampeg Scrambler.) It is a very wooly fuzz. I recently added a You're Doom to the board. This is a synthy gated fuzz. It seems to work better for this scenario. I am also adding a Saturnworks volume pedal post effects loops. This will be used for a master volume before hitting the amp. (So I don't have to walk away from the mic if I need to make a volume adjustment suddenly.) I am also on the look-out for a preamp/eq pedal that will help balance the overall level and tone of the dirt loop when switching between clean loop and dirt loop.
  7. eveilleu


    Oct 30, 2013
    Montreal, Qc
    Interesting, I use an oxide in front of my xeroD .. also a gated fuzz!