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FX 25 v.s Q-tron [maybe]

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Mudfuzz, Jun 30, 2007.


  1. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    Hello every one, AYIDAS:D

    I'm looking to find another filter then the DOD FX 25, which I really like but am having a hard time utilizing in a band mix, on it's own it sounds great but it gets louder when turned on [I and NOT talking a about volume spikes, I don't mind those], so I need to use a comp or and boost turned down to get it at the right volume when on; I have tried having it in my Barge loop&blend ;) but the buffer messes with the way the pedal responds.

    So my question is does the Q-tron change in volume the engaged?
    The other filter I am looking at a little is the Maxon.
     
  2. There is a bit of a volume spike when I turn on my Mini Q-tron. It can be controlled though. Have a bit of a search, the problem has been talked about a bit before :)
     
  3. TheMutt

    TheMutt Guest

    Apr 28, 2007
    I own both an FX25 and a Q-Tron. Personally, I have not had problems with "unity gain" on my FX25 when I don't have it set to "dub" mode (where there are sub-sonic frequencies blasting out of your speakers. You'll notice it when things that aren't tied down start to rumble onto the floor.) Try setting your pedal to a lower sensitivity if you really dig in, or a higher setting if you are more of a soft player. (too high, and the signal gets "swallowed" too low and you are in dub country.) When I have it in "envelope" mode there isn't a volume problem that I am perceiving. YMMV though as my FX25 may not be the same model as yours though (90's green sparkle). Here are some things that you might try out:
    1. use a volume pedal before or after your effects to vary either the signal strength going into your envelope filters, or the effected volume coming out of your filters. I find that this works most of the time for me to dynamically change my volume in the middle of a gig when I don't have the time to run back to the amp and change the volume.

    2. You might also shoot Geoff an email at Barge Concepts about getting a variable impedance control put on the loop of your VFB since they are (according to him) all of their VFB pedals are actively buffered (that is, the signal behaves like an active bass, which is notorious for behaving badly with certain envelope filters, fuzz/od, and verious other pedals.)

    Other than that, I'd say the Q-Tron is a great pedal, but I wouldn't but it to replace my FX25. They both get completely unique sounds that the other just can't get to. Some others on this forum say that theirs has volume spike issues, but I have not had any of these problems with a passive bass. Can't say the same about an active bass though as I do not own one or have any friends with one to test this out. Hope this helps! :D
     
  4. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    I like both the Q-tron and the FX25; I sold the Q-tron, but only because it was huge. I should have kept it. The Q-tron is more versatile by far, but the FX25 does one thing very well (at least for my tastes). You should definitely try out the Maxon, it's another very fine pedal.
     
  5. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    All year I dream about sex? :confused:
     
  6. i own a micro q-tron

    awesome filter, beats the fx25 or fx25b hands down for me

    has an identical circuit to the mini q tron far as i know, and i experience know volume spikes whatsoever
     
  7. idoru

    idoru

    Dec 18, 2005
    Brisbane, Australia
    Fieldy is l33t!
     
  8. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    Ha, of all people you should have got that in one :D ;) mister overlord.
    YIDAS! I know there is a spike in the Q-tron but it has to be less than my FX25.
     
  9. markjazzbassist

    markjazzbassist Supporting Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Lakewood, OH
    well put. check out the maxon too. it's supposed to be the same as the Q-tron but without the volume jump (as much).
     
  10. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    First off great post, I really enjoyed reading it.
    Have thought of just about everything you stated.

    My FX 25 is a older one, I think it's a version 3.
    I don't like volume pedals, but I have have given some thought to putting a EQ, limiter or boost pedal after it and making up a quick bypass loop pedal to turn them on and off at once, I planing on doing this any way for my whole board because some of my pedals aren't true bypass and to make my in and out of my board neater. But the board space and cost to do so all for just one pedal stops me. I have also thought about getting a variable impedance control put on the loop of my VFB but the FX25 is the only pedal I have that doesn't like the VFB:meh: Also I don't really want a filter sound mixed with clean, I love this with my Fuzzes and ODs but really not much else.

    And no I’m have no intentions on getting rid of my FX25 just putting it in my for recording use pile.

    I think my next step is to just try and find a q-tron and a maxon to try out.
     
  11. SpankyPants

    SpankyPants That's Mr. SpankyPants to you.

    Aug 24, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    AAAHHH

    And Yes I Did A Search.
     
  12. I agree with all what my fellow posters above said, the Q-Tron and the DOD FX25 can't be confronted one to the other... They're so different in the feeling and in the sound.

    The FX25 produces a real wacky kind of funk sound. Just imagine Bootsy Collins hitting you right in the face with his Star Bass and running away before you realize what happened... That's all about the FX25.

    On the contrary, I find the Q Tron being much more versatile and subject to my playing and of course my tastes. You definitely can't produce the FX25 sound, but the liquid sound of the Q Tron makes me think of a bunch of worms hanging around in a psychedelic puddle of muddy water. Its response is very sensitive, which makes this pedal very unique.

    So, basically, you can't decide which sound is better than the other. Bow to the funk, and own the two of them ! BTW, indeed, I found the Maxon AF-9 very similar sounding to the Q Tron, except it's not as juicy as EHX pedal. But it creates very nice and melodic juicy landscapes, especially with a light distortion and a delay, you're on a journey to the FUNK COSMOS !!

    Last but not least, don't even think about the FX 25B... that's one of the worst pedal I've run across. Not bass-friendly, volume drop, "Blend" knob useless, and ****** footswitch like all recent DOD pedals.
     
  13. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    Er, um........ I had a weak moment, it was only $118.00 + free shipping, it had buy now, I clicked.




    :bassist:
     
  14. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    Oh and this by no means answers my question :p in fact it looks like I will have two filters with volume issues :)

    My best solutions [to me] right now are building in a volume control [and in the case of the XF25 getting another one and rehousing it to do so] or building loop pedal with a volume control [or comp :bag: ] between the return and the output, which looks simple enough [at least at the moment.
     
  15. TheMutt

    TheMutt Guest

    Apr 28, 2007
    Glad I could at least offer some entertainment if not some insight. :D

    Don't you hate that? :D

    That's how both of mine are setup right now, behind my Compulator. Still waiting for my custom Barge Concepts VFB to ship... hopefully it comes soon! :crying:

    I really wish that all pedals would come with a unity gain pot or trim pot to adjust for your equipment and/or tastes. maybe I'll have to look into some mods sometime or another. I'd also like to mod in an effect on/off light for my Q-Tron. It's really annoying not knowing if it's on or off without having to play something through it! :mad:
     
  16. It went straight over my head too :)
     
  17. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    Mostly insight actually.

    Yeah, that would so convenient, I bet a unity gain pot mod wouldn’t be all that hard really. :bassist:
     
  18. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    :bawl: no one understands me:bawl:

    But I'm use to it:scowl:

    :D :D

    Oh and I want to also say thanks to every one that has posted in this thread it has been really helpful!!!
     
  19. Mudfuzz

    Mudfuzz

    Apr 3, 2004
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9btkeN05-8
    OK, interesting.

    FX 25 vs. Q-tron

    I have to go with the majority, on how the things sound. I really like the sound of the Q-tron, the band really likes the sound of the Q-tron ;) And there isn't that big jump up in gain I get with the FX25. On the other hand it just isn't as goopy and slurpy, but it is more squelch and bouncy; plus it does more.

    So in conclusion, you need both as well as a bassballs:D
     
  20. The Lurker

    The Lurker

    Aug 16, 2002
    Ankh-Morpork
    I have had a revelation regarding filters. I bought the AF-9 and, since it can do all the stuff my other filters do better, i'm retiring and selling the rest.

    The low-pass setting sounds better to me than the DOD's, and there's no volume or bypass issues. Granted, it also costs a lot more, but it's also replacing a $200 Moog, a Mini-Qtron, and a $100 Dunlop wah.

    That's just MHO, though.

    The DOD is hard to beat for the price, though, and if you don't mind the idiosyncrasies it's a great pedal to have.
     
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