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Gecko? Or not Gecko...

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Funky Doctor, Apr 1, 2004.


  1. Funky Doctor

    Funky Doctor

    Aug 28, 2003
    Australia
    hi there. i'm kinda new to this tb thing in that i have been viewing posts and threads and such for about 6 moths but have never posted. this is the first time i have posted anything. i hope i don't ramble too much...

    i have been wanting a gecko 6 for quite some time now. i can finally afford one AGAIN thanks to a fat remittance cheque in the mail this morning :cool: . i have decided on a wenge/bubinga neck and a koa body, maybe some sort of classy laminate top. now, i have a general idea of what it will sound like, but can anyone give me some more idea of what the koa will do to the tone? i have been in contact with warmoth quite a bit and i think they might be getting a little sick of me. i honestly think that the warmoth gecko is a nice pice of bass and are an awsome deal due to the fact that you have so many options like woods, pickup routing etc...

    i am cheap for wanting a gecko? sure they might be relatively cheap, but are they anygood? i know there are plenty of you out there who love geckos, but is there anyone who can tell me anything bad about them and why i should maybe get something else? are they a quality instrument? anyhoo, i should probly stop there. i am rambling...
     
  2. Moo

    Moo Banned

    Dec 14, 2002
    Oakland, CA
    Koa is often compared tonally to mahogany. But that's kind of risky as mahogany can vary widely. Koa on the other hand is less varied. It's not known for it's extreme highs or lows but a sweet midrange. Probably not the best choice for a hi-fi bass but if you use words like fat and funky warm and organic it's a good choice. With those wood choices I'd expect a distinct tone and a good one. A bit on the heavy side too.

    The only downside to a gecko I can see is you have to buy it and then see how it came out. You can't try it in a store but you should get a bass that most people will like.

    What pups and preamp are you going for?
     
  3. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    <img src="http://www.talkbass.com/photopost/data/501/14993Warmoth_Gecko_Full.jpg">

    This bass cost about $1200 for me to build. I wouldn't call that cheap.

    If you feel comfortable in you building skills, I would definitley go for it. If you don't feel confident in your skills, I might pass on this since you live in Australia & shipping & Duties/Taxes might make the bass more expensive than you think & you'll end up with a nice bass but if it's not put together correctly, it won't be that great.
     
  4. leishan

    leishan

    Aug 11, 2002
    Medina, TN
    :eek:


    Oh.....my.......gosh........

    That Gecko is a beauty!!!!!!!
     
  5. T-birdfan

    T-birdfan

    Jan 29, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    Put together, not build. Let's get it right.
     
  6. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Whatever you call it, it still takes skill.

    Ive seen Warmoth instruments put together by amtures, good guitar techs, and Nino.

    The first was terrible. The parts were awesome quality, but it still felt ewww.

    The second was good but not that big a deal. Kinda like an american Fender.

    The third was awesome. Im paying him to build me another. :D

    Peace
    Nick
     
  7. Funky Doctor

    Funky Doctor

    Aug 28, 2003
    Australia
    What do you mean by a hi-fi bass? You have pretty much explained everything that I am looking for, but hi-fi? what would consider hi-fi?
    And heavy, bah. Heavy basses don't bother me. It's not going to be my main bass anyway. but thanks for all the input.
     
  8. Funky Doctor

    Funky Doctor

    Aug 28, 2003
    Australia
    Oh and i was thinking maybe some emg DC's, got any suggestions for that wood combination?
     
  9. steviecsg

    steviecsg

    Aug 16, 2002

    hello

    i used to own a gecko 5 with EMGS and BQCS system (the one with 3 band parametric mids) there were individual vol. and passive tone controls as well. altogether about 7 or 8 knobs. body was swamp ash. IMO sound wise was pretty HIFI yet versatile.

    my only problem was with the kahler bridge which was a pain to intonate. if possible opt for a different bridge.
     
  10. ZuluFunk

    ZuluFunk

    Apr 14, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    In My Opinion...

    it's always a good idea to consider the resale value of any bass.

    Though I liked Nino's Warmoth (the only one I've played) very much...when I look at what the fetch on the resale side...I don't think I'd invest that much in one.

    I remember they had one at Bass Northwest for the longest time. Had all the bells and whistles and they had a hard time unloading it for around $500.

    Someone who is sure of what he wants or wants to build a collection or really wants to build one should go for it.

    Someone who likes to get a bass, play it for a few years and trade up is likely to have a hard time getting out of it what he put into it.

    You could get a far better used bass.
     
  11. I've looked at the Gecko closely, done all the math, and I don't think it's a good value. I'm not a Warmoth fan - I don't like the company.

    But I understand the appeal. The Gecko is a very pretty instrument (other than that hideous looking reptile in the 12th fret area).

    Given a choice, I would get a Carvin and swap-out the electronics.
     
  12. McHack

    McHack

    Jul 29, 2003
    Central Ohio!
    Good sound advice, Zulu... Worth noting that investing this much into a custom hand-built do-it-yourself thing, can very much be a bottomless pit.

    But, if you're doing it yourself,, this can VERY MUCH be a labor of love... You have control over exactly what goes into it. You're not doing this because you want to make money with it, you're doing it for all the RIGHT reasons... hehe.
     
  13. Nino Valenti

    Nino Valenti Commercial User

    Feb 2, 2001
    Staten Island NYC
    Builder: Valenti Basses
    http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=Build&x=15&y=14
    Hmm. I did that.

    I did this, too.

    I did this, three.
     
  14. DaveDeVille

    DaveDeVille ... you talkin' to me ?? Supporting Member

    kinda off subject , but i would never buy an instrument based on possible resale value { not trying to start a controversy here }.

    my Warmoth J-bass has everything i want and the tones i get are incredible . koa body , koa neck , pau ferro fretboard , zebra wood laminate on the body and matching headstock . Bartolini MK1 pickups and black Schaller hardware complete the package .

    the support at Warmoth has been very helpful , but maybe i just asked the right questions . i've read where people slam Warmoth
    for whatever reason , but i have to say i am completely satisified
    with the product i built { i agree with Nino-Brown } to my spec's and particular taste ...
    :cool:
     
  15. Subculture13

    Subculture13 Jamming Econo

    Apr 9, 2003
    Toronto, Ont. Canada
    Warmoth basses can end up costing you as much or more than a comparable bass depending what you load into it. But if you have a very specific combination of exotic woods to achieve a look, feel and sound, it may well be impossible to get that same bass any way BUT from Warmoth, as "stock" basses from most brands may not have the combination you are after.

    I am working out all the little details right now for a 4 string fretless ebony, padouk neck, jazz body. Still deciding on the body wood, may well be Padouk too, but might go with something else. Looking for a good dark wood, without too much "busy" wood grain. A J/MM (think Lakland) Bartolini loaded with a Sadowsky or possibly Aguilar preamp. You tell me which "brand" has that and I'll consider buying it. Until then, I'll build up my dream bass from Warmoth thank you very much.
     
  16. Ryan L.

    Ryan L. Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Aug 7, 2000
    West Fargo, ND
  17. McHack

    McHack

    Jul 29, 2003
    Central Ohio!
    Hey Nino & other Warmothers...

    Realistically, how doable is this?
     
  18. BruceWane

    BruceWane

    Oct 31, 2002
    Houston, TX
    I'd say very do-able, but I wouldn't advise a novice to try it unless they happen to be VERY detail-oriented and willing to put in some time studying a bit of luthiery. To the unexperienced, it looks like little more than a lego set. But it's the details that make a huge difference. Getting the neck angle right, finishing the frets, cutting the nut and the final set-up have to be done right or it's gonna be no better than the average MIM Fender hanging on the wall at GC. And the main thing with some of this kind of work is that once you do something, it's pretty hard to un-do it - cut the nut too low, get a little carried away when leveling and dressing the frets, and you're at least gonna be doing a lot more work to fix it, along with possibly waiting for replacement parts. And if you're removing wood to fit the neck pocket, you CANNOT get impatient. Once you take some wood off, it's gone. If you over-do it, you're gonna have a loose neck pocket.

    It can certainly be done, but above all BE PATIENT and take your time. Use the right tools. Don't get in a mindset where you want the bass ready for a gig on Friday. If it happens, great, but don't push it.

    I don't have experience with a Gecko, but I've used other Warmoth parts before and been very happy with their stuff.

    Thought I'd mention.......I know the wenge/bubinga looks very desireable as a very solid, stable neck, and I'm sure it will be. But I wouldn't shy away from a maple/bubinga neck based on stability, especially if you're getting one of the wider necks with double truss rods. I've got a bass made with an older Warmoth 5 neck, maple/bubinga, 2 truss rods, and it's every bit as solid and stable as my Modulus Genesis. Probably a bit lighter than the bubinga/wenge combination, too, which will help a lot in the balance of the bass. Heavy is something you can live with; neck heavy is a pain in the a**.
     
  19. BruceWane

    BruceWane

    Oct 31, 2002
    Houston, TX
    Just thought I'd add.......

    Yeah, the Kahler bridge is a pain to set up. But once you do, it's rock solid. I don't travel a lot, so I've never needed to constantly mess with my bridges. Once you're settled on your string gauges, there's not much need to be adjusting your bridge, anyway. Climate changes usually require tweaking the truss rod a lot more than intonantion or string height at the bridge, and a good neck won't move much, if at all, anyway.

    And you don't have to get the gecko inlay on the neck if you don't want it. Warmoth will build you a neck without it for an additional 30 bucks or so.
     
  20. Subculture13

    Subculture13 Jamming Econo

    Apr 9, 2003
    Toronto, Ont. Canada
    I love it when companies that do custom products will charge more for doing less.

    $30 more for NO inlays. More $$ for NO frets and NO fretlines/markers. Boggles the mind.