Geddy Lee Jazz low output. What's going on?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Corevalay, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. Corevalay

    Corevalay Supporting Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    New Jersey
    I've got a CIJ Geddy Jazz that I picked up about a month ago. Before buying it I read several threads stating that the output level on their Geddy was significantly lower than other basses. I didn't really pay much attention to it because I knew I would swap the PUPs out for Custom Shop 60s anyway. So, i buy the bass and play it. Sure enough the output is lower than my American Standard Jazz. I swapped out the Geddy PUPs, put in the Custom Shop's and to my surprise the output level is still the same... low. I can obviously tell just by volume levels and switching basses. I also can visually see it when I record, comparing the Geddy track to my Standard's track.

    So, my question is what could be happening? What is the reason one bass has such a stronger output? Are you guys having the same "problem"?
  2. Corevalay

    Corevalay Supporting Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    New Jersey
    Anyone? Bueller?
  3. Wallace320

    Wallace320 Commercial User

    Mar 19, 2012
    Milan, Italy
    And, honestly, it sounds so low due to the "closest to Vintage pickups" set japanese Geddy Lee's usually sport

    Strange if your American Std is the present CS pickup series...
    Absolutely normal if you're referrin' to a 2008/2010 Std model: those were not only the most playable instruments out there, but among the best and loudest playin' passive singlecoil too!

  4. That's odd....I've owned several Fender Jazz Basses over the years including a Geddy Lee and it had the same if not more output than any other Jazz I've owned.
  5. Doctor J

    Doctor J

    Dec 23, 2005
    The 2007 MIJ Geddy I had was definitely not low output.

    Besides, almost every amp out there has input gain, just turn it up. Once it sounds good, does output actually matter?
  6. Corevalay

    Corevalay Supporting Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    New Jersey
    No, not really. I would just be nice to have them at same level though, ya know? It is as easy as just turning up though, you're right.
  7. aproud1

    aproud1 Don't surround yourself with yourself. Supporting Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Cincy, OH
    I never noticed a big difference in the GL basses I've played or with the GL pickups (same pickup in the 62 AVRI) I've had in multiple basses.

    When you switched out the pickups do you use the original wiring too? Have you adjusted pickup height?
  8. john_g

    john_g Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    I had a Geddy for a few years and yes, mine was low output. After stressing about it and what I could do to fix it, I just decided to not throw money at it and turn up the amp.
  9. Rusty G String

    Rusty G String

    Mar 19, 2013
    I would check pup height. Then have someone check out the pots. You could have a bad one maybe.
  10. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    I don't know what you expected -- you replaced a vintage-output pickup set with another vintage-output pickup set.

    What's this obsession with high-output pickups anyway? I wouldn't have them as a gift.

    You have a gain control on your amp and recording interface, and adjusting for differentials in pickup outputs is what they're for.

    Sometimes I think about 75% of the "problems" on TalkBass would evaporate if people learned to use all those amp knobs for their intended purposes.
  11. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    Pickup height maybe, pots no.
  12. 4001

    4001 Inactive

    Sep 29, 2004
    Lake County, IL
    I have one from 1998 CIJ, and it screams. Nasty, Jazz Bass tone.
  13. /\/\3phist0

    /\/\3phist0 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) mmm Woody! DHDIK? Sweet Treets. Supporting Member

    Bad solder joint? A bad output jack? Crap wire used for the rest of the wiring?
  14. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    I'm not 100% sure, but I believe those had different pickups, hot no-name ceramics.

    Last I heard, recent GLs are using Fender OVs (like in the AVRI), which are notional '60s vintage reissues.
  15. TC.65


    Dec 20, 2008
    Carbondale IL
    I've got a 2007 Geddy Lee Jazz and it has a much lower output than my early/mid 90's Peavey Fury. I also just bought a MIM Fender P bass and it's much lower than it is also. The bass I just bought has SD QP so I can't compare to the original. It does bother me a little. So now that my amp rig is in order I'm gonna change out the pickups on the Geddy. I'm thinking about a set of high output DiMarzio's.
  16. Corevalay

    Corevalay Supporting Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    New Jersey
    Maybe you didn't read what I wrote though. I have the same exact pickups in my Geddy Jazz and my American Standard jazz. However, the Geddy output level is significantly lower than that of the Am Std. I can't help but wonder why that is. Obviously I can turn up the volume on my amp, I'm not that oblivious. It still doesn't answer the question of why two very similar basses with the exact same electronics would be so different. I'd hardly consider that an obsession.

    It also is much easier when playing live and switching basses to not have to adjust my volume levels once its set and through the PA.
  17. Bongolation


    Nov 9, 2001
    No Bogus Endorsements
    Pole height.

    There's not that much left if they have the same pickups, strings and the pots are all opened.
  18. DigitalMan

    DigitalMan Bring Back Edit/Delete

    Nov 30, 2011
    Bay Area, CA
    I think it's down to pickup height or bad wiring/pots.

    Do you do your own setups and is everything else the same? I.e similar action, same brand of strings with the same level of use?
  19. Seba_H5001


    Jul 15, 2012
    I read about that in a musicians forum of my country, the guy solved the problem putting rubber or sponge in the pickup cavity, because the Geddy Jazz doesn't have anything to raise the pole pieces. Hope that helps :)
  20. Corevalay

    Corevalay Supporting Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    New Jersey
    I have someone who does all my setups/installations. Everything is essentially the same. I think I'm going to try the Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounders and see if that helps. I'll also have him run all new wiring for everything.

    At this point it's not my main player anyways, so I'll see what happens!