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Gelb Music is a dangerous place

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by toytech, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. toytech


    Mar 22, 2004
    San Leandro
    If you are trying not to spend money! Talk about terminal gas! I went there (in Redwood City Ca.) for the first time today, played several thousand bucks worth of basses. Played my first Sadowsky, a NYC4 and yes, they are as good as everyone says! Played an amazing Lull and a Zon (porn in bass form!) and my favorite of the bunch (if I have to pick one) a Rob Allen fretless. Just wow.
  2. phatduckk


    May 24, 2006
    SF Bay Area

    i go there weekly!!! did Ed help u out? the tall bald dude? he's a good buddy... actually everyone there is :)
  3. avid

    avid born lefty

    Jun 22, 2005
    Ashland, Oregon USA
    Would you mind comparing and contrasting the Sadowsky with the Lull? TIA
  4. smperry

    smperry Administrator Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    Bay Area, CA
    Yep, great store and great people.

  5. JansenW


    Nov 14, 2005
    Cambridge, MA

    Dangerous place. I must limit the number of times I go there.
  6. toytech


    Mar 22, 2004
    San Leandro
    The Lull was pure vintage j bass sounding, only better. Thats the best I could do describing it, the Sadowky had every sound that 2 j pickups in a bass can make as far as I could tell. I played everything through a Mesa Walkabout.
  7. avid

    avid born lefty

    Jun 22, 2005
    Ashland, Oregon USA
    Thanks for that! What RA did you play? Mouse, Deep or MB2

  8. toytech


    Mar 22, 2004
    San Leandro
    I think it was a deep, it had no f hole, was a double cut with just a single volumn on the bridge. the top looked like walnut?
  9. avid

    avid born lefty

    Jun 22, 2005
    Ashland, Oregon USA
    If it was double cut it was an MB-2. Both the mouse and the Deep are SC. Walnut is one of RA's "standard" tops.
  10. toytech


    Mar 22, 2004
    San Leandro
    All I know is it was light as a feather and played amazing.
    I am no pro for sure, so my opinions are just that ;)
    I come here to learn. :D
  11. Folmeister

    Folmeister Knowledge is Good - Emile Faber Supporting Member

    May 7, 2003
    Tomball, Texas
    Love the Gelb!
  12. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    I'll jump on this praise wagon as well.

    Last March I did a similar thing to the OP. I spent several hours in Redwood City, and played a number of Sadowsky's, F basses, MIA Fenders, Lull and Allen basses .. also through the Walkabout 12 that Ed has set up in the bass corner.

    I ended up buying a Lull MV4 from Ed and almost bought the tobacco burst MIA Fender fretless he has, but instead, ended up grabbing a used fretless Lakland 44-02 Deluxe from a fellow TBer here (thanks again Larry99). Even then, Ed helped me out by talking me through new and used Lakland prices for various models. I thought that was pretty good of him to do.

    As far as Sadowsky vs Lull; I thought that both basses were beautifully made and finished basses. The Sad was more modern sounding, bright with pronounced mids and maybe a bit too sterile to my ears, compared to the pure vintage tone of the Lull with the Fralins. The Lull mids are less forward, less clanky, to my ears, and the low end is more to my taste, deep and smooth rather than what I heard with the Sad as low-mid punchy. Alos, honetly, I think the strings had something to do with my preference too, I just did not like the feel of the Sadowsky strings. Not sure any of this is helpful, but you asked. :cool:

    It may be simplistic, (maybe even simpleminded ;) ) but I also felt more comfortable with the controls on the Lull: (V-neck, V-bridge, presence/push-pull active passive, stacked treb/bass preamp) compared to the Sadowsky control arrangement.

    In reality these are just the subtleties that go into picking something as personal as an instrument.

    Of course this is just my experience, and I do not doubt the greatness of Sadowsky .. just not for me.

    In any event, Gelb is certainly a great bass place and Ed is a cool dude to work with.

  13. avid

    avid born lefty

    Jun 22, 2005
    Ashland, Oregon USA
    As a lefty there is little chance that I will ever get to play both a Sadowsky and a Lull at the same shop. If fact, there is little chance I would ever get to play a Sadowsky before ordering. However, there are a couple of lefty Lull's out in shops right now.

    Since picking a bass is subjective, personal opinions are all we have. Thanks for taking the time to give me your perspective. Hopefully, I will get a chance to play a Lull in the next couple of weeks.

    I would definitely like to visit Gelb music. I might take a side trip there when I head down to Yoshi's in November to see Brian Bromberg.
  14. Kitsapbass

    Kitsapbass What key is this?

    May 26, 2005
    Bremerton, WA
    Is Eric still working there - he gave me a screaming deal on my old Spector, and a Hipshot for it...:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
  15. mgmadian


    Feb 4, 2002
    Austin, TX
    +1... great store, used to try to give 'em my business whenever possible when I lived in the Bay Area. As others have pointed out, Ed is knowledgeable and helpful, and the kicker is that the basses are typically set up well, with relatively new strings... how often do you see that?! Certainly not at GC... :rolleyes:
  16. hieronymous


    Nov 28, 2002
    Northern CA
    I also finally made it in there for the first time a month or so ago, and played a bunch of basses (a couple of Zons, a 6-string F Bass, Lull 5-string P-bass) through the same Mesa Boogie. I was really impressed with the store. Excellent service, non-pushy atmosphere - I sat there for like 2 hours! I rarely feel that comfortable in a store.

    Partway through this guy came in to try out some portable guitar amps, and sometimes we would kind of jam even though our backs were to each other. We never talked, other than that I gave him the cable I had been using when I thought I was done but ended up being encouraged to keep playing by one of the guys working there! How often does that happen?!!

    I didn't end up buying anything that trip, but I'm contemplating shooting into the Bay Area tomorrow...
  17. toytech


    Mar 22, 2004
    San Leandro
    When I was there playing there was this dude trying out a Jagstang who was playing so funky jazzy and bluesy, that half the time I forgot to play the bass I was holding and just listened, the rest of the time I just played quietly and tried to hit the same chords he was in. :)
  18. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    You should know that Ed Cagnacci (Bass Dude Maximus at Gelb) is a lefty. Contact him. He has helped me in so many ways. He is an honest, smart, and talented musician with tons of great basses on that wall. He usually knows what is in the pipe and has more than just gear opinions--he has significant knowledege about different kinds of players. He can also really make you laugh! :hyper: :D :hyper:
  19. avid

    avid born lefty

    Jun 22, 2005
    Ashland, Oregon USA

    Thanks for the tip. I will definitely keep that in mind!
  20. hieronymous


    Nov 28, 2002
    Northern CA
    Just got back from Gelb. I went in pretty sure I was going to get one of the 5-string Zons. I tried the one I played before, a Lakland Skyline 5-string, and a 6-string Spector.

    We were also looking for a bass for my wife. Was going to try one of the Squier Vintage Modified basses, but it was so heavy! I tried one in another store that wasn't nearly that heavy. I knew right away that it wasn't the one. Ed suggested one of the Ibanez Soundgear basses, and it played great and my wife preferred the color, so we ended up with that one.

    And no Zon :crying: I just couldn't justify the expense, and it didn't quite do it for me. The 6-string Spector was cool, but also not quite what I was looking for. Actually, not sure what I was looking for! A temporary cure for GAS, most likely, so it's better that I walked out spending less than $400 and not somewhere in the neighborhood of $3000.

    Actually, near the end of our visit Ed was helping this one guy - I think he was selling a bunch of basses, including a 4-string F Bass and some kind of fretless Rick Turner. I have enough basses for now. Famous last words, I know, but for the moment I'm happy with my decision and Gelb is a very cool place, which I think was the point of this thread. :bassist:

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