So since moving to a new city 2 years ago, I've been in 3 bands, 2 of which achieved gigging level. The best gigs we got were paid in beer... most paid nothing. Other bands practiced for months, spent $$$ on rental space, equipment, spent time learning, practicing, promoting, only to have it split up for interpersonal reasons. Now I'm in no bands, my old drummer and I wanted to start a new generic classic-to-modern rock cover gig, and starting the same old game again is really hard and discouraging this time around, I feel like I've been here before and the reward is never worth the work. So right now we have a singer, drummer, bassist, and looking for guitarist. I recently split up with my girl, and we used to jam in her basement, so we no longer have a jam spot. We've been getting some Craigslist hits for guitarists, but not nearly as many as I'd expected. Right now my drummer is texting me every day trying to convince me to throw in on a rental practice spot, ~$250/month. I totally agree with his logic, we can't lure/try out guitarists without a practice spot, and once we get the full lineup we should have a good regular thing. But now all the "same old sh1t" stuff... drummer has his kids 3 days a week, so practice is limited to Tuesday, Friday, and 1 weekend day. New singer works nights at a hospital, works Tuesday - Thursday - Weekends. I work 9-5 M-F so that limits us to practicing Fridays and maybe 1 weekend day, affordable to individual schedules. No I would like to think I'm smart enough by now to realize we'd all struggle with consistent Friday night practice. Stuff just comes up. And when we start gigging, we're gonna lose our only consistent practice spot, assuming we can lock down regular Friday gigs. And this isnt even taking into account a Guitarists' schedule, or payroll to chip in to the jamspot until we start gigging. Singer can't chip in either, although she has her own PA so its not all bad. So me and drummer are considering splitting $250/month between us two until we can find a guitarist and get our gigging act together. In my experience, the chance of any band I get into from the groundfloor has about a 5% chance of ever playing a gig. The last time we tried, as soon as our catalogue started getting long enough to fill a set, the guitarist and singer would start forgetting the oldest material... they didnt practice at all in their free time, and would forget songs as they learned others. While in a perfect world, we'd lock down a guitarist, learn some sets, and have gigs within 2-3 months, my experience with local musicians makes me doubt that is possible. Although me and my drummer are both solid and committed, he is almost blindly committed and proposes hiring guitarists on a whim or ignoring the requirements we set from the get go (that we learned from our past bad experience) and compromising for crappy people, and I feel like this idea of renting an expensive spot while we dont even have any real prospects is not the smartest move. He also brought in the singer, who is his girlfriend's best friend, and even though we said we'd objectively try her out and gauge if she was a good fit and not just take her on cuz she's a friend, he was already 100% gung ho for her and no one else. I mentioned I'd opened a CL ad for a singer, just to see whats out there (we had this girl as a prospect, but in the grand scheme we were starting a fresh new band, so I figured whats the hurt) and he got all worked up over it, and admitted he already told her she was in the band, without hearing a note. While I wanted to start a band myself to avoid the band drama of being new to an already set-in-their-ways crowd, I'm realizing it doesnt make a difference. Almost all of our prospects are either young, unemployed, and lacking equipment and transportation, or are over 50 and egomaniacs. The few guys who sounded legit ran as soon as we said we didnt have a practice space... even though we told them we just moved out of our old one a week ago and were in the process of acquiring a new one. I just can't pay that kinda cash right now to fork out over an extra $100 a month, if we had a guitarist who was committed and willing to chip in and our singer pulled her weight in that regard sure, but thats not the case... I'm figuring that any cash I throw into this jam spot will never be made back. At this time a year ago, i was in a band with a practice spot, a consistent practice day, regular gigs scheduled, all pro equipment, and even THAT band fell apart, just due to everyone getting pissed at each other. Really I just dont have the motivation anymore to keep sluggin along in crappy bands that never get off the ground, and starting to wonder if its just me. Rant over. Bands suck.