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Genesis "LAMB" fuzz tone?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by xsubs, Jun 5, 2008.


  1. xsubs

    xsubs Working Class Hero

    Jul 15, 2007
    NYC & Corcaigh, Éire
    Endorsing Artist: Hiwatt Amplification & Rotosound Strings
    I'm looking to acquire a fuzz that sounds like that used by Rutherford on "Lamb lies down" and "cage"...
    I did a bit of research and came up rather empty...can anyone recommend a fuzz that fits the bill?
    There are so many great pedals out there, and I haven't used a fuzz at all. I do have a Fulltone Mosfet BassDrive, but that doesn't really come near the sound I'm seeking.
    Thanks!
     
  2. Swift713

    Swift713

    Dec 4, 2006
    Florence, Ma
    Good question, that was a nice tone he got. I had sort of assumed it was a real tube amp or maybe a sansamp because it's so tight and solid.
     
  3. sonicvi

    sonicvi

    Jun 10, 2005
    Houston, TX
    Are you using a double neck Rickenbacker? I'm sure that had a great deal to do with the sound.
     
  4. xsubs

    xsubs Working Class Hero

    Jul 15, 2007
    NYC & Corcaigh, Éire
    Endorsing Artist: Hiwatt Amplification & Rotosound Strings

    I'm really talking about the fuzz sound itself. Though the bass used does play a part, the fuzz type is very distinctive. From what I've read, it is listed as a "Marshall fuzz". Through the years they've produced several models though, so I'm trying to find out if someone has been able to nail the sound. I really don't care if it's the same pedal... a clone or different make would be fine.
    For the record Rutherford did not play a Rickenbacker on Lamb. He used a Microfret 6-string bass.
     
  5. Captain_Arrrg

    Captain_Arrrg

    Jan 23, 2008
    Mountains of Colorado
    Endorsing Artist: Spector Basses
    I would also love to know. There has to be someone here who could at least give an educated guess.:help:
     
  6. xsubs

    xsubs Working Class Hero

    Jul 15, 2007
    NYC & Corcaigh, Éire
    Endorsing Artist: Hiwatt Amplification & Rotosound Strings
    Hiwatts are single channel, and VERY difficult to get dirt out of (I know... I've been playing them for 30 years), it's a fuzz pedal. Thanks
     
  7. Akeris

    Akeris

    Jul 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    Ah, I am also curious.

    Oh and, good taste in music. The Lamb is my favorite album.
     
  8. BeauZooka

    BeauZooka

    Oct 2, 2007
    Seattle USA
    He may have used what Steve Hackett used, a Colorsound Supa Tone Bender, which is a Big Muff variant. A Barber Trifecta will probably get you the closest to that, as one of its settings is modeled on that fuzz.
    http://www.barberelectronics.com/trifecta.html
     
  9. Earthday

    Earthday

    Sep 22, 2005
    New Hampshire
    I can get close with my Tech 21 SABDDI with Drive almost maxed, everything else near flat, and playing fairly aggressively near the neck on my fender jazz. He's either using a pick or digging in really hard whatever he's using I would think.

    What an incredible bassline to an incredible song. I'll never understand how they managed to write that song. The way the vocal melody, the driving piano, and the odd bassline all fit together is just incredible.
     
  10. n2yii

    n2yii

    Nov 19, 2008
    NJ
    OK, this is what Mike Rutherford used on the Lamb tour.

    Guitar: Microfret Custom Double Neck, Twelve string (top),
    Six string bass (Bottom)

    Amps: Dual Acuostic (Bi Amped) One dry and one with effects.

    Bass Pedals: Mr Bassman (Not Taurus)

    Effects: Marshall Fuzz, Compressor (Unknown)

    That's it!
     
  11. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Lamb Lies Down was released in 1974. I'm pretty sure that the SansAmp hadn't even been created yet... :meh:

    MM
     
  12. Akeris

    Akeris

    Jul 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    Nice, any idea what Marshall Fuzz?

    And by the way, it's Pythagoras.
     
  13. n2yii

    n2yii

    Nov 19, 2008
    NJ
    More clarification on Mike's equipment for the Lamb tour

    Guitar Amp: 100w Hi-Watt Stack

    Bass Amps: Dual Acoustic 370 Amps (Dry & Effects)
    Bass Cabinets: Dual Acoustic 201 Cabinets

    He also used a Custom Zemaitis 12 string acoustic guitar.
     
  14. n2yii

    n2yii

    Nov 19, 2008
    NJ
    He used a Marshall "Super Fuzz"

    Sorry for the omission!
     
  15. Ric5

    Ric5 Supporting Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Colorado
    I bet you could get that sound from this here ...

    [​IMG]
     
  16. n2yii

    n2yii

    Nov 19, 2008
    NJ
    The spelling is taken from the Genesis album "Foxtrot"
     
  17. Akeris

    Akeris

    Jul 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    Lol. No. 'Tis Pythagoras there, I just checked it again.
     
  18. n2yii

    n2yii

    Nov 19, 2008
    NJ
    My apologies, your absolutely correct. It seems my senility is
    progressing!
     
  19. Akeris

    Akeris

    Jul 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    No problem, just helpin another Genesis fan! :)
     
  20. The BurgerMeister

    The BurgerMeister musician.

    Apr 13, 2006
    Big Bear, CA
    isn't it "Pythagoras with a looking glass reflects the full moon?"

    in any case... i love all the Genesis albums with Peter Gabriel singing, and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is definitely one of my favorite tunes of theirs. genius!
     

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