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Genz Benz Neox 112T vs Baer ML112

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Not yet, Aug 17, 2012.


  1. Not yet

    Not yet

    Mar 26, 2012
    Thoughts? Yes, I know there a million threads. Looking for plus/minus on just these two with a Streamliner 900

    Have a 112T, first small gig with tomorrow, but find myself keep looking at Baer. In 3 pc Hendrix/Bonnamossa/SRVsh band and need to fill space.

    Don't want HiFi, and not looking to clean up my technique after 40 years playin, I is what I is. Thing scaring me off Baer are comments that it reveals all flaws, and I gots some. Can play but not making technique DVDs...

    And yes, I know I'll need two

    Thanks
     
  2. svtb15

    svtb15

    Mar 22, 2004
    Austin,TX - McKinney,TX - NY,NY, - Nashville,TN
    I play it all. Whatever works for the gig
    Baer is cool... But if you like what you have, dont let GAS get a hold of you because it is never ending..... I have had great success with my 112T GB cabs in many types of gigs.
     
  3. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    The NeoX 12's from Genz are one of my favorite sort of "commercial company" or "off-the-shelf" type speakers. Those terms aren't supposed to have any sort of negative connotation at all, just meaning stuff put out by fairly good size companies you can go buy at a store or dealer. Not boutique or small shop unique type stuff you'd mostly special order.

    The Baer is a very refined sort of cab, higher in performance if that's what you're looking but by your description, I'd think your NeoX might be a better fit. They are clear, not muddy at all, but more of a regular sort of classic sound and not so refined and detailed you can hear every ridge of your fingerprint as it moves across the string.

    If money was no object and I could just go buy however many of whatever I wanted, the Baer would up there towards the top of the list. If I also was in a position where I had to pick only one commercially available cab that I was stuck with for playing everything, a NeoX 212 would be probably top of the list. They're very good.

    Again, based on your description, I'd probably pick up another NeoX 112 to go with your current one. The Baer is something you can't really try before you buy, but he does have I think a 10-day return policy that wouldn't cost you anything but the shipping to FedEx it back. If that's something you can handle, I would say try one and just see if it's your cup-o-tea. They really are amazing designs.

    Notice I'm waffling here.:). The NeoX's are really good cabs. The Baer is just sort of at another level. Sort of an exclusive club there. There's only a handful of designs out there that can do what the Baer does.
     
  4. Not yet

    Not yet

    Mar 26, 2012
    This and the response above are Great non-Talkbass type answers.....thank you much. I'm feeling better already
     
  5. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    When you say SRV and maybe having a couple technical flaws you can't "un-learn" after all these years, I'll just go ahead as say use your Genz, but you'll probaboy want another one if your guitar player uses the volume Stevie did.:)

    The NeoX does breakup gracefully, so, if you have to goose it some to keep up, it'll stay sounding musical. I'd be wanting a pair of them though.
     
  6. Not yet

    Not yet

    Mar 26, 2012
    Yup and yup

    Used it first time last nite in small supper club....sure enough when things started heatin up so did the guitarists volume.

    And this single cabinet kept up amazing vs a Mesa Lonestar. Deep, articulate, bladdy blah. What a great Fn product. The drummer went nuts over the improvement in presence (from Eden and Aguilar I had) and regulars commented on how much better we sounded last nite...go figure

    Off to get 2nd one this week. Nice when a purchase lives up/exceeds expectation
     
  7. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    I just bought two Genz Benz neox 112T and love them. The only thing is I don't like the way my amp sits on top of the cab with the handle.
     
  8. jnewmark

    jnewmark Just wanna play the groove. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Stax 1966
    Third St. Cigar Records staff musician.
    After owning a Neox 212T for awhile, I found it to be an awkward schlepp, and since I'm a one cab guy, I moved on to a custom made 212 with regular casters. The tilt back design of that Neox 212, and the thin casters made it a shin barker in my case, along with having to bend over to move it. If I had it to do over, I would probably go with the two single 112 cabs. I found the 212T to be loud enough for sure, but rather boxy sounding to me; more of a traditional sounding bass cab. I have'nt tried the Baer, but I do use a 212/horn cab that has 3012HO's in it, and the difference in clarity, and the ease of being heard and felt in the mix is definitely a level above the Neox.
     
  9. Not yet

    Not yet

    Mar 26, 2012
    Same. Handled it by puttin a dark sock (or use small towel or whatever) over the handle and setting the head towards the back of the cabinet. Works great and tilts up the controls of the Streamliner.

    Cabinets breaking in nicely and sound better than ever. Pat my own back on this purchase every day. (After a year of selling off mistakes...)
     
  10. GRoberts

    GRoberts

    Jan 7, 2003
    Tucson, AZ USA
    Wouldn't it make more sense to put the handles on the back edge so you can grab, tilt and roll? Sort of wondering why the handles are mounted sideways and adjacent to the position of the wheels? Things that make you go hmmm.
     
  11. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Montreal
    Agree. Bad design. Handles are too high to lift the cab (unless you're 6'8") and having your hands on the sides sucks when rolling through doorways-a great way to break a knuckle B4 a gig.
     
  12. 5StringPocket

    5StringPocket Supporting Member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Texas
    I think the NeoX212 portability would be better with a recessed handle on the top back for tilt and roll, and a dog bone handle on the center of each side for carrying up and down stairs and lifting onto tailgates.
     
  13. GRoberts

    GRoberts

    Jan 7, 2003
    Tucson, AZ USA
    I wonder if Genz is listening? What we don't know are things like bracing and how these handle placements would work. Hard to imagine they didn't consider the tilt N roll handle placement on the back edge instead of sides.
     
  14. ErnieD

    ErnieD

    Nov 25, 2004
    Atascocita,TX.
    I use a folding cart to move either or both of my 212T's from back bedroom, thru house, to garage to load/unload em. I'm only 5'9" but I lift each cab by the ears (top handles) put my knee into its back, tilt it back, heft it up and use the built in casters to guide it into back of my SUV or truck bed then lay it flat. I did not want to wear out the casters rolling over concrete, gravel, etc parking lots. So the folding cart is always in play. Once in the club and onstage, the casters make them very easy to manuver about. For me. :cool:

    The couple times I had to negotiate stairs I asked a bandmate to grab a handle and we walked.

    My Neox 112T, I just grab the top handle, toss it in cargo area or backseat of either vehicle I'm taking that day. I feel these are some of the easiest of my cabs to move about. But I understand where y'all are coming from. :smug: Sorry, can't speak to the tone comparison of Baer vs Neox. Though I do like the tone of my Neox cab(s) with either GB STM-900 or Markbass F1 or LMII heads and a P5 w/flats.
     
  15. jnewmark

    jnewmark Just wanna play the groove. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Stax 1966
    Third St. Cigar Records staff musician.
    The thing I have against tilt and roll cabs is that you can't put anything on top of them when moving them; it slides back and hits you in the gut, especially the 212T, which is low to begin with. Much rather have 4 casters on the bottom. I play a casino gig that is a schlepp from hell to get to the stage. That 212T would kill me half way there !
     
  16. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    Airplane luggage type pullup would fix that. I've experimented with them on a couple of my diy's. At first, it works nice. Amp sits back against the vertical pipes with your hand around the handle above that and you can just drag it around with you without stooping over. Using actual luggage handles though, they get loose, beatup, flimsy after some time hauling and loading gear. I've considered getting a collapsable dolly and sawing the upper portion of the handle off it to mount on the back of the cab. Much sturdier handle and would probably last longer. Could make it fold up and down like a hinge instead of the telescoping thing. For most people, on a 212, it would only have to come up about 6" above the cab to keep from stooping over, and still have an amp rest there below your hand. Maybe 8" for us tall folks. Don't know that they could come up with such a system that woukd stand the test of time without adding too much cost to the cab.
     
  17. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    +1 Hate that design. Makes sense if you have a fridge rolling out of a large equipment van right onto the stage in a large venue. Otherwise, it is a poor design.

    In addition, the small castors used on the tilt backs are not very good on rough pavement, and totally useless for jumping curbs or going up a few stairs.

    Handles on the side, dump the tilt back design, and you are good to go with a small cart like the Kart-a-bag Super 600. That cart allows me to schlep around my AE212 like it is a 110 cab.:bassist:, with my bass stand and head on top.
     
  18. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    +1 to the tiny wheels not working out. I cut angles into the bottom corners of my cab and put 4" wheels down there. You can push it over thresholds if you need to, and pull it up over curbs, etc.
     
  19. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    Fremont, Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Agreed. I store my gear either in my basement at home, or upstairs from my office, so that means that I'm carrying gear up/down steps either way. The Neo-X212T is light enough to be carried fairly easily, but with those handles mounted where they are, they really can't be used for carrying up/down steps.

    As far as the Baer's go, I have been able to gig out with a huge variety of cabs, and those ML-112's are right up there at the top of the heap when it comes to my personal favorites. Their combination of fullness, clarity, and musical aggression (pleasant coloration, ability to growl, etc.) is amazing!
     
  20. 5StringPocket

    5StringPocket Supporting Member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Texas
    Side ports on the NeoX212 preclude the use of inset handles but a pair of strap handles could mount with tee nuts and not interfere with the ports. I find the tiltback handle and wheels useful for moving the cab around on stage and sliding it into the back of a pickup or SUV but for longer schlepps it definitely goes on the porta-cart.

    As for the ML-112's? Yup, the fullness and tone from one of these is amazing. Can't ever see needing more than a pair if you have any PA support.
     

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