Genz-Benz NeoX 212T vs. Acme Sound Low B2?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Mystic Michael, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    While I've been trying to wean myself off all these "vs." threads lately, this topic has got me intrigued:

    From what I've gathered, the Genz-Benz NeoX 212T cabs are a thing of beauty - full-range, warm, deep & powerful, yet also clean and very articulate (and relatively efficient). Sounds like a couple of 'em would make a perfect big rig for the stuff I like to play (acid jazz, electronic, trance, psychedelic rock).

    I'm already up to speed on the Acme Low B2 cabs, and they also seem fantastic for what they do - provide full-range, phat, balanced tone with exceptional low-end response (and relative inefficiency). Two or three Acmes might also be just what the doctor ordered.

    Ultimately, I have to arrange to hear both of these cabs. But in the meantime, are there any TalkBassers who happen to have "on ears" experience with both? How do they compare & contrast?


  2. main_sale


    Apr 26, 2004
    Cape Cod
    I can only comment on the pair of NeoX 212T's that I own. I think they are wonderful with my Ampeg SVT-VR and can't imagine ever needing anything more. Finially, I think I have all of my bases covered.

  3. bassguppy


    Jan 8, 2003
    you have a pm.
  4. SteveC


    Nov 12, 2004
    NE ND
    I, too, can only comment on my 212. It's a great cab. I use it for everything from jazz trios to big bands to my pop/rock cover band. My only complaint is that it is relatively large compared to other 212 cabs, but it is light and pretty easy to haul around.

    I have a friend who has an Acme and he likes it a lot. I debated getting one or two of those before I went to my Genz Benz rig.
  5. Lia_G


    Oct 27, 2005
    Large? I guess I can see that, regarding height at least, since it's got the speakers aligned vertically. But even though it's taller than some 212's, it's also narrower. That actually lets me haul it in some vehicles I wasn't able to fit the Eden D212XLT in, for example.

  6. Kindness


    Oct 1, 2003
    I have had a pair of Acme Low B2s for the past several years as my main cabinets. I also borrowed a NeoX 212T for a week a few months ago in order to do my own compare and contrast.

    You say you are familiar with the Acme's. I doubt there is anything I can tell you that you haven't already heard. They are fantastic cabinets with some very known and very obvious limitations. Efficiency being the biggest.

    I took some notes when I gave back the Genz in order to make this comparison at a later date. The Genz is definitely quick/responsive, pushes through a mix with good grunt, is not overweighted in the high mids (honky) and simply delivers a bass tone a lot of bass players love/need/want/can't live without. Obviously the Genz is significantly more efficient. In comparison to the Acmes, the Genz sounds "dark." In comparison to the Genz, the Acmes sound thin. The biggest difference I hear is in the low mids. There are more low mids in the Genz and the low mid response sounds smoother in the Acme.

    That's what my notes tell me. Let me know if you have any questions though.
  7. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Interesting. Somehow I wouldn't have expected that. Does that mean you think that the Acmes have a clearer or brighter tone than the Genz? And that the Genz has an even fatter response than the Acmes? I've always heard the Acmes described as "phat", so this is significant.

    How do they compare in terms of overall frequency balance, from lowest lows to highest highs? And how do they compare in deep bass? I'm guessing the Acmes would be stronger...

    I realize that tone perception is ultimately pretty subjective, and that words alone can convey only so much. But I'm interested in any further light you can shed...

  8. Kindness


    Oct 1, 2003
    Yes, I believe the Acmes are significantly clearer through the upper midrange and into the treble, as well as clearer in the lows.

    The Genz is much more strongly weighting towards the low mids. You can certainly EQ the Acme to have the same response, it's just not there without some EQ.

    Phat is the term I'd use to describe the Genz. Even is the term I'd use to describe the Acme.

    The Acmes are significantly more balanced. This is extremely apparent when running cds through each speaker. The Acme sounds great, the Genz less so.

    If you are the kind of guy that thinks P basses put out more "bass" than a J bass, the Genz has more bass. If you think the opposite, the Acmes have more bass. The reality is the Acmes go lower (just like the J bass) and can be EQed to make up for any difference.

    What I thought after spending time with the Genz was "this is how an Acme user might EQ his cabinet to sound to fit perfectly in a rock setting. This Genz tone seems to be inherently voiced perfectly for that purpose. On the other hand, the Acme is a chameleon that is more easily adapted to fit in any mix."

    I guess I would say the Genz is more of a plug and play kind of cabinet. Hopefully that helps.

    If it matters at all for sifting my bias (I attempt to have none, but I think everyone does), I don't like the Genz for myself, but often recommend them to players I know that are looking for "that" tone. I think they are extremely well made and a very thoughtful design, just not my thing personally.
  9. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Thanks very much for that analysis. Based on your take, the Acmes seem like much more my type of thing as well. But I'll reserve judgment until I actually hear them... :meh:

    TalkBassers? Anyone else got an opinion to share?

  10. amos


    Oct 23, 2003
    SE Portland Oregon
    Word, if I were to get a 212 right now it would probably be the GB Neo 212 because it's stacked like a two 112 cabinets, which is my current setup, and two 112s is as big as I can get with my car. Kindness is pretty spot on I think in his regards to the two. I'd love two have a pair of Low B 2's for the versatility.
  11. Eublet


    Jul 28, 2006
    To my ears, the Neox 212 is an articulate cab with a traditional leaning. It's not ultra hi-fi, nor it is mushy and wooly sounding. It has enough low-mid presence to make it sound like a bass cab, but enough high end response to let it sparkle a bit.
  12. Kindness


    Oct 1, 2003
    That's a very succinct way of saying exactly what I think.