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Genz-benz Shuttle 6.2-12T + Tecamp 115XS

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Diegombass, Jun 30, 2017.


  1. Diegombass

    Diegombass

    Sep 19, 2012
    Spain
    Hi,

    I am wondering if these cabs would match. I have a Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.2-12T combo and I want extra low freqs without breaking my back. Moreover there is a good offer at the second market.

    I have tried the TC electronics K-212 and didn't like it paired with my combo, it doesn't give me the same volume, my shuttle 12 wins about that.

    What do you think about the 115XS? Will it give me that low end? In the specs both cabs are 99dB sens, but the 115XS starts at 36Hz and the Shuttle 12 at 45Hz

    Thank you!!
     
  2. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    The Shuttle 6.2 head has it's low end rolled off around 80hz. Kinda on the light side. If you want extra low I'm not sure you're going to get it with that head.

    Genz did make a matching .2 series 1X12 extension cab. THat would be the best option for your combo IMO. The Genzler BA series may also be something to look into.
     
  3. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Hey Dave... your comment is inaccurate BS. Where in the world did you get that???

    For those who want to know the truth, the HPF on the Shuttle 6.2 & 9.2 is in the high mid 30Hz range. High 30's with the LF boost switch out and mid 30's with the LF boost switch in.

    Diegombass: I have no idea what the phase response of that cabinet is, so I suggest trying it to see if it does what YOU need.

    Remember that the minimum total load that the Shuttle can safely drive is 4 ohms.
     
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  4. jlepre

    jlepre Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Cedar Knolls, NJ
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  5. klokker

    klokker

    Jan 7, 2009
    Steele City, NE
    Dave's probably thinking about the Shuttle 6.0. Isn't the roll off there at 60hz? Whatever, I rock the house with a 6.2 and a 212t. Just find another used Genz Benz 112 extension cab and you'll be all set.

    Don't worry about the difference between 45Hz and 36Hz, IMO.
     
  6. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    Hey, really nice way to put it! Who pissed in your apple juice?

    Page 3 in the manual on Genz' site reads:

    The low frequency EQ section is an 80 Hz shelving curve with 15dB of cut or boost

    I get that it's a shelving curve but I don't have access to the actual info that you do, so I commented on what info I had. I'm not knocking Shuttles. I've owned 4 of them and gigged a 12.2 for a few years straight. Even with the LPF engaged they do not have the low end content of say a Mesa M9, and IIRC the .0 series had even less.
     
  7. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    That's not true either, the .0 series is high 30's to low 40's.
     
  8. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Nobody pissed in my cornflakes. I'm just tired of seeing inaccurate (or incorrect) information listed as fact. Especially as I wrote the owner's manual! Didn't mean to jump on your post so hard, but this stuff gets kinda old...

    The eq point has nothing whatsoever to do with the low frequency rolloff. That would be the job of the high pass filter. I don't know where you get LPF from as there is no LPF option on the amp.

    The M9 has low frequency voicing that (depending on the voicing switch position) can exaggerate the low freq. response. The Shuttle is almost ruler flat. Some folks like a flat amp and some like a voiced amp.
     
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  9. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    Sorry, LF Boost
     
  10. jnewmark

    jnewmark Just wanna play the groove. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Stax 1966
    Third St. Cigar Records staff musician.
    So is the 6.2 close to ruler flat when all EQ knobs are straight up 12, and no global buttons engaged ?
     
  11. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Correct, with a 4th order HPF rolling off the low end with a 3dB down point at the mid to high 30Hz range per my above comments.

    Note that the HPF rolloff starts at least 1/2 octave below the -3dB point of most bass speakers and serves to limit the power/energy delivered as the typical drivers mechanically unload. It's an important protection mechanism for improving bass speaker speaker performance.

    It should also be recognized that increasing the bass eq level shifts the HPF even lower... into the 20's, so care must be used under such high power operation.
     
  12. jnewmark

    jnewmark Just wanna play the groove. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Stax 1966
    Third St. Cigar Records staff musician.
    So if you used an outboard HPF, and set it to 35 hz, would that override the internal hpf, especially if the bass eq level is boosted ? Not that I'm ever boosting the bass eq that much, just so I know what the limits are. I have an Fdeck HPF pedal that is sweepable.
     
  13. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Cascading HPF's creates a different situation.

    For identical 4th order filters, 2 cascaded at 30Hz, the -3dB point will shift upwards by maybe 1/3-1/2 an octave. Non-identical filters would be all over the place math-wise.
     
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  14. 74hc

    74hc

    Nov 19, 2015
    Sunny California
    Pissing in the Wheaties box kinda makes me what to avoid these posts... why did I click on it? And, avoid the merchandise as well.
     
  15. staccatogrowl

    staccatogrowl Savoring our spinning, shimmery aquasphere Supporting Member

    Jul 14, 2006
    BS posters are the typical pissers. The engineers suffer wading through that, perpetual BS, and falsehood. Recognize and embrace solid principles, logic, and fact, especially as conveyed by principals involved with topics. This seems to be increasingly difficult and challenging for many in the midst of rampant and proliferating fictitious news and stories.
     
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  16. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Why is that? Are you ok with false information feeding the rumor mill? What if you were seeking information about this product because you were trying to find something that might be suitable to your needs? Wouldn't you be pissed if you made your decision based on incorrect information?

    Sorry, but our customers deserve better than this, IMO they deserve honest, accurate information.
     
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  17. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Well I gig with a ShuttleMax 9.2 and I am happy to learn that it goes below 80hz AND is flat at noon!

    Just picked up a DNA 800 amp from David Nordschow and doing the comparisons now
     
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  18. lpbfender

    lpbfender

    Jan 7, 2012
    Stamford CT
    Wondering how the DNA 800 compares to the MESA 800?
     
  19. Relsom

    Relsom

    Nov 23, 2013
    The Old Dominion
    I'll second that STL-2-12T....but they're rare as hens teeth. I ve been gigging my 6.2-12T + STL-2-12T rig for the last 3 or 4 years.
    Just for grins I ran a D800/CN212 at an outside show a couple if weeks ago. The consensus was that the Genz rig would have been heard on stage better than the Mesa/Berg did.
     
  20. Joebone

    Joebone Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    California Republic
    Hmm...all I can tell you is that our lead guitarist has taken ill so I'm gonna do a gig tomorrow (one hour set for private festival) using a stomp box with octave up and some distortion to cover a bunch of the solos... and I've just now decided to take my GB 9.2 and two STL-2-12T cabinets...even over the Mesa 800+, which has a marvelously saturated preamp tone, usually used with a fearless f112, but the 9.2 just comes alive in guitar emulation mode - could it be the tube in the 9.2 preamp?

    And please note that these amps both reflect the work of Aged Horse, for whom I'd really like to buy a drink sometime! And looking forward to seeing how those two 1-12 cabinets make out on an outdoor stage. I own some fancy stuff, but lately have been pondering whether the GB stuff is more than adequate for my purposes, and I should ditch all other gear...
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2017
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