# Getting a low E

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by OTheB, Oct 28, 2016.

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1. ### OTheB

Oct 28, 2016
I've been designing a custom bass in which I'm putting in all my acquired wants over the years, and one of them has been a particularly low string - as in I'm out to beat a piano.

To cut things short: I'm out to achieve a low E. 1 octave below standard. I know this will require a very long scale length and high gauge string, but what would be a good estimate at these numbers? I usually play on a 34" scale length bass, but I've done some experimenting and figured I could reach up to about 37" at a maximum as I have the arms for it.

2. ### SLaPiNFuNKCommercial User

Jul 28, 2006
LA California
The Brains: FretNation.com
You might want to figure out if a string is even available to fit your needs.

Once you find the string gauge that is suitable for you, find out all the dimensions of the string that are available...

You will need to know:

Ball to Taper for the tuners
Overall Length of the string

Once you have this information of what is available to you, then you can determine how to construct your bass.

Lets use a .145 Example:

D'Addario makes a .145 in both Long Scale and Extra Long scale:
Long Scale = 37.1" Ball to Taper, Overall length of about 49"
Extra Long Scale = 38" Ball to Taper, Overall length of about 49"

What does this mean to you? If you chose to use Long Scale particular string, the MAXIMUM length from Ball End (behind the saddle) to Nut is going to be 37", and the tuner can be no more than about 8" past the nut. If you choose to use the Extra Long the MAXIMUM length from Ball End to Nut is going to be 37.9" and the tuner can be no more than 7" past the nut.

3. ### OTheB

Oct 28, 2016
This is helpful - but would say the extra long scale string at that gauge be able to produce the E? Or would it be best to take the gauge even higher (if as you say there exists such a string)?

4. ### SLaPiNFuNKCommercial User

Jul 28, 2006
LA California
The Brains: FretNation.com
The Gauge is what you are going to need to figure out... Well, a combination of gauge and scale length...

So you know the pitch you want... Now you need to figure out (with maths) the tension you want of that string and the gauge that would be required to reach that tension at various scale lengths...

So...

It will need to be .XXX Gauge to be YY tension on a 37" Scale, and .GGG Gauge to be ZZ tension at 36" scale.

5. ### michael_t

Feb 11, 2013
49.8951 N, 97.1384 W
Call me a pessimist, I honestly can't see anything practical coming out of this.

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6. ### SLaPiNFuNKCommercial User

Jul 28, 2006
LA California
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Just don't want to see another bass made where there is no string available for it...

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7. ### OTheB

Oct 28, 2016
Eh. If it works it works. If it doesn't then I can try other string setups.

I've got 127N tension for a .145 gauge string on a 37" scale length for the bottom E. This is rather low, and if I want a good 180N then the gauge needs to be around .170 for the same scale length.

8. ### michael_t

Feb 11, 2013
49.8951 N, 97.1384 W
This actually doesn't sound as bad as I thought... Almost doable.

9. ### michael_t

Feb 11, 2013
49.8951 N, 97.1384 W
Come to think of it, D'Addario XL Nickel now comes in .170TSL (Tapered, Super Long Scale), which is designed for the low F#. So, it's just a matter of tuning it down one whole step.

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Feb 18, 2004
NE CT
Definitely consider an F# low string as it's somewhat "standard" and available - and allows you to tune in fourths and have "normal" open string tunings on the other strings (F# B E A D G C).

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11. ### MDBassSupporting Member

Nov 7, 2012
Los Angeles, CA
Endorsing Artist: Dingwall-Fender-Jule-Dunlop-Tech 21-Darkglass-Nordstrand
Extended scale and custom gauges will be required, but it's definitely doable; the trickier part actually is having a rig capable of actual producing that note at a reasonable volume.

A Dingwall Afterburner with a 37" low string will do the trick, reach out to the folks at Kaloum or Payson about custom gauge strings

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12. ### Feral Feline

QUAKE

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13. ### Blueinred

Mar 12, 2009
Greater Cincy
The formerly named Circle K Strings is now called Kalium Strings and they have gauges for electric bass up to .266.
Here is their website:

14. ### OTheB

Oct 28, 2016
That's what I was thinking. I play a lot in drop D so the drop E tuning wouldn't be a problem if the bass could handle it.

The kalium strings look good and I might invest in some of those so thanks for the good info Blueinred

15. ### Growlmonkee

Jan 30, 2013
Florida, U.S.
One factor to consider, before doing this...especially if it's going to be used in a live setting...bass amplifiers, and speakers generally have a diminished sound at E1 (possibly a lower than useful fundamental), because it's around 41hz, (pretty far in the cutoff slope, for most speakers), you'll need to crossover to a sub, IMO, for that bass to sound right. (tight like a piano) here's a good read on this subject, from a good authority.

Barefaced Bass - What is bottom?

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16. ### OTheB

Oct 28, 2016
This is very useful information too. I have a sub woofer which I can run my amp out of so this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

17. ### trevcda

Mar 8, 2007
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
Yeah! Then put a hip shot on the F#. Bam! Low E!

Peshaw! What about the "you don't need the fundamental, bass is all about overtones" argument I get anytime I pull out my BagEnd system! /sarcasm

Anyway, he has a point. Although the E0 the OP looking to achieve is actually sits at 21hz. And that takes a lot of power moving a lot of air. Power just costs money and has gotten a lot cheaper the last couple of decades. Getting a cabinet that can move that kind of air may require some rather specific cabinets. A JBL G29 Sub will get you down to 22hz (-10db) and will only set you back \$5,575 per cab. Personally, I'd go with two of them. Of course, at 10db down at the lowest frequency, you may want to look into something goes lower so you don't lose your fundamental at your lowest note.

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18. ### BioWeapon

Feb 16, 2013
Calgary, Alberta
Kalium makes a .200 and .210 which on a 37" scale length would be a tight E one octave below your regular E. Problem solved!

19. ### ixlramp

Jan 25, 2005
UK
A longer scale will help of course, but some play E0 on a 34" scale, such as Yves Carbonne, here he pauses on the E0
He is tuned B00 E0 A0 D1 ... with Kaliums plus Octave 4 Plus for the highest plains.
For roughly the same tension an octave down just double the gauge.
This might help too http://store.kaliumstrings.com/TensionCalculator/index.html
Quite a few brands sell .175s.
What i hear from extended range bassists is that Kaliums are possibly the best superlow strings around, as in most flexible and clear.

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20. ### Ulf_Hansson

Apr 15, 2014
Odd idea, let us know how it all works out. What kind of PA do you use to be able to amplify this beast?