Getting in Trouble

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Tony Flow, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. I got in "trouble" at church for playing a tonic seventh chord arpeggio(AM7) as a pad for a song intro. The worship leader is knowledgeable in theory, but he did not appreciate the dissonance. Does anyone have a general mantra about over-complicating things, seventh chords especially?:help:
     
  2. MostlyBass

    MostlyBass

    Mar 3, 2002
    Oak Park, IL
    Well, churches have a long history of dissing dissonance. In Renaissance days, a perfect 4th was considered dissonant.

    I like your choice chord, but perhaps being more vanilla diatonic is what they're after...
     
  3. Vanilla diatonic seems to describe the attitude perfectly.
     
  4. otherclef

    otherclef Guest

    Aug 10, 2011
    Charleston
    I guess the Allman Brothers would not go over well in that place.
     
  5. mambo4

    mambo4

    Jun 9, 2006
    Dallas
    If it's just a major chord and not a Maj7th chord on the chart, I would be favoring the 6th instead of the maj 7th. You have to assume the composer knew what they wanted.

    but it's all about context, ultimately.
     
  6. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    What is a "pad" for a song intro?
     
  7. A pad is like a synth swell for the tonic chord. It's in the domain of keyboardists. At least that's my understanding of pads. I could be misusing it though.
     
  8. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    What's the first chord of the tune? Generally a major 7th chord (A C# E G#) is the tonic and using the tonic for an intro doesn't give you any sense of resolution, it doesn't really have much to do with dissonance. Strongest resolution pattern is (again, generally) V7 to Imaj7, if yer in A that's gonna be an E7 (E G# B D).
     
  9. The intro was a long string of Amaj, into a I-IV-V-I. I played a long string of A's with some arpeggiated ornamentation with a major major seventh (A C# E G#). I got complaints about the G#, which I suppose you could attribute to the lack of resolution. There wasn't a progression in the intro, just a 15 second build on A, the tonic.
     
  10. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Columbia SC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Yes. Again, try an E7 instead of A major.
     
  11. Why the dominant? Will it provide a more complete sound? I guess my basic question is: is non-resolution bad?
     
  12. Kael

    Kael

    Dec 26, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    IME, church gigs want the basics. Stick to 1 and 5 of the chord to support, hit the 3 and 7 only when you have the chance to be melodic. If they gripe about a 7, interpret that as a "I wanted you to be supportive and not melodic" comment.
     
  13. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    Try using the half diminished, the tri-tone, christians have a long history of enjoying that chord.
     
  14. I saw what you did there
     
  15. Oh Jesus loves tritones :)
     
  16. If they're vamping on a I IV V change, you don't want to be playing maj7 on any of them. Dom7 or m7 if that's what they're playing.
     
  17. Just for familiarity it was something by Hillsong... I don't remember what song though...
     
  18. ACalbass

    ACalbass

    Dec 16, 2011
    Well,dissonance...............
    You play a F and an E together and get a dissonance,at the same time is also root and major 7th : a "comfortable" dissonance

    But I believe you played the wrong note at the wrong time.
     
  19. Russell L

    Russell L

    Mar 5, 2011
    Cayce, SC
    It's all about the context, pal. If someone else is playing or singing a high root, for instance, your major 7 could really clash with it.
     
  20. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Yes. My mantra is "Don't do that."