Getting tired of anti 4/4 snobs

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Nephilymbass, Sep 29, 2017.


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  1. seen several post on FB lately and this is kind of annoying me. Basically people who are supposedly in prog metal bands bashing anything and everything they come across because they hear it in 4/4. Odd thing is I hear the majority of music in 4/4. Even stuff like Meshuggah with polyrhythms I listen along and hear the hi hat or ride constantly holding down 4/4. Meshuggah has even said in interviews all their stuff is in 4/4. I'm a classically trained musician who can read music decently and I'm starting to think that a these folks just don't know what they are talking about. IMO using odd time signatures are great for one main thing. Making sheet music look "pretty" so people can read it easily. When it comes to playing live from memory I'm more concerned with just the tempo and feeling the groove. But back to the time signature thing. A lot of time signatures are actually interchangeable. 6/8 at 50 Bpm sounds identical to 3/4 at 100bpm. Of course they look different on paper but they can sound identical. Another example Instead of switching back and forth between say 4/4 and 6/8 constantly why not stay in 4/4 and count the 6/8 measures as triplets in 4/4? Because that's how I hear that, I hear triplets not time signature changes. There's more to music than quarter notes and eighth notes. and Theres plenty of different tempos.

    Seems to me these people only think in quarter notes and 8th notes and absolutely have to play on the down beat of 1 every single measure.

    I can write a 5/4 part in 4/4 sure it'll look goofy on paper but if you're not using sheet music at all anyways who cares? Why not just count it in 4/4? Do you absolutely always have to play the downbeat of 1 or every single beat of a measure? Is all this time signature hype a crutch for people who can't groove? With my rock/metal band we never even talk about time signatures. We just establish what tempo we want a song to be at and groove.

    Just seems like a goofy reason for people to hate on other people's music
     
  2. Damn straight dude.....:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    Can I get you another drink?
     
  3. elgecko

    elgecko

    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    4/4 snobbery is a thing? o_O
     
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  4. Gully Foyle

    Gully Foyle

    Sep 28, 2014
    Near Boston
    Dude, even 4/4 is just a fancy man's 2/2
     
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  5. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru..........

    Apr 11, 2006
    I always count in 1/1. Makes things far easier to comprehend when there is only 1 beat to each measure. Then the only thing that has to change is time. :bassist: :D
     
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  6. Lol
     
  7. Evidently... I'm seeing it more and more within music groups on FB in particular.
     
  8. bobba66

    bobba66

    May 18, 2006
    Arlington, Texas
    Fighter/Bomber?:woot:
     
  9. Handyman

    Handyman

    Sep 4, 2007
    Austin, TX
    May I suggest associating with less obnoxious music groups and FB people?
     
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  10. filmtex

    filmtex Commercial User

    May 29, 2011
    Annsman Pro Audio Dealer
    Facebook. Meh.
     
  11. FakeBass?
     
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  12. Begs the question then.
    What is the best time signature for Metal? :smug:

    Come on guys. It's been 12 hours! :whistle:
     
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  13. Gorn

    Gorn

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
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  14. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    No, I've never seen anything about it. The fact that a infinitesimal number of people cry about it on Facebook doesn't make it a thing.

    There is nothing you can't find someone complaining about if you look hard enough. :D
     
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  15. ga_edwards

    ga_edwards

    Sep 8, 2000
    UK, Essex
    Not too dissimilar to the ‘anti four string’ snobbery threads on FB I see frequently.

    Do not feed the trolls!
     
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  16. BusyFingers

    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016

    These appear to be very astute observations. The plain truth is, people like to act uppity and knowledgeable, and discussing time signatures on facebook posts accomplishes that.
     
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    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016
    Yes, I think the implication that a 5 string bass is more complex, or something, is silly. It's not as if you must exhaust all technical potential on a 4 string in order to graduate to a 5 string. A brand new player could buy a 5 string off the rack and be just as sucky as a new player on a 4 string.
     
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  18. Clef_de_fa

    Clef_de_fa Guest

    Dec 25, 2011
    Never heard of that. But I know many people who can't play anything if it isn't in 4/4

    this is interesting to me
     
  19. bolophonic

    bolophonic

    Dec 10, 2009
    Durham, NC
    I consider myself to be reasonably educated and thoughtful and creative. I take pride in seeking out unconventional approaches to things. However, when someone in one of my bands starts talking about something they wrote in 6/8, I can feel the groove leaving the room and I start to glaze over. If I ever hear "5" or "7" (or worse... "9") mentioned in a band space, I am out of there. I'm a rocker, not a jazz professor.
     
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  20. Gorn

    Gorn

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    5/4 is cool. That's all I got.
     
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