Hey Ant, Was wondering if there was a specific route to take when wanting to get to this level ? As you said somewhere 'its about something you know so well that you don't think about it and automatically do it'. To achieve this all around the instrument and not just that particular lick that you've worked on is now ingrained in the muscle memory. To me it seems like the connection between mind and sound. So as soon as I am able to play what is my mind without stopping the music, I'd say it would be safe to say mission complete ? As mentioned its getting there which is the problem!