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Gigged w/out AG500 last night....

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by kringle77, Nov 26, 2005.


  1. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    :bawl: Well I sold my aguilar AG500 to fund the purchase of an AVALON VT-737sp and last night was my first gig without it. The Avalon is on the way now. I used my ampeg SVP-BSP preamp with a Raven labs TBeq throug my avatar b210's. Well.....life without the AG500 sucks ass! There is nothing better for a live rockband in my opinion than the aguilar. The setup with the ampeg and eq where ok but, the tightness and feel just wasn't there no matter what I did. If the Avalon turns out to be not what I was looking for, I am buying a new AG500 pronto! Hopefully the the new preamp will be here before our next 2 gigs this upcoming weekend. Also, I found the the aguilar solid state head was much more forgiving of dead strings than the ampeg. I found this to be true of aguilar's other tube gear also. (not as forgiving) If anyone has used both the Ag500 and the avalon 737, I would very much appreciate your opinions. Can I get the same sort of tone but, maybe even better out of the Avalon? Or, is the avalon a big, loose, tube sound? I need some comforting here folks. God I feel sick.
     
  2. Mario Lewis

    Mario Lewis

    Jul 6, 2001
    Clinton, MD
    I thought I say your handle on e-bay recently as the buyer of a 737. You MUST post your thoughts of the Avalon when you get it. I hae one too, but my band is on the outs and taking a break for now, so it's just seeing living room practicing right now. PLEASE let me know what you think.

    The avalon is not tubey. And it can be loose but you have to keep in mind tht it's a studio "all in one" and the high pass filter can open up the low end or tighten it up. You'll see what I mean once you get it.
     
  3. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    Thanks Mario. I appreciate all the questions that you answered about the preamp before. Good info. Im just having aguilar withdrawl I guess! Did you think that it could be as tight on the low end as you Eden or even tighter? I realize that the high pass filter on the AValon will have a huge effect on the sound. Thats what I'm counting on anyway. I will post sound samples on here once I get the unit. My old AG500 had this nice thickness all the way up the neck without feeling slow or clumsy. If I can get that with the avalon but maybe even alittle nicer, I will be one happy guy. If not, Im buying another aguilar. I don't really know of anything out there I would even be interested in except for maybe the Millennia stuff but, I really do not care for fully parametric eq's. Time will tell and hopefully I'll get the new toy by the end of next week.
     
  4. Mario Lewis

    Mario Lewis

    Jul 6, 2001
    Clinton, MD
    I probably should have posted a review of the 737 with all of the hype I felt when I got it. But I haven't played out with it yet, so I don't feel like I"ve put it through it's paces yet. As far as the sound and the eq goes, keep this in mind....it's a studio box. It's meant to be able to take any sound source from voice to fender strat to martin acoustic to dingwall 8 string fan fretted bass and put it to tape. Studio sound and live gigging are two different envirionments. There is a purity of tone in a studio set up that we try to recreate in a live set up... also in the studio, the board is the mixer - balancing everything out... in a live set up, the board for the FOTH mix is the mixer and it's the signal you're feeding him that is impoirtant, not so much what's coming out of your cabs fed by your power amp (which adds it's color) which is fed by your pre (with it's own color).


    THe 737 has the high pass filter that is defeatable, but engaged and turned fully counter clockwise, the low end can get a little warbly. You also have the bass shelving control that clicks in at 15 , 30 60 and 150 hertz, so your telling the bass control where to kck in at, and then with the level control knob, you're telling it how loud you want waht you've dialed in. THen you've got the low mid control with overlapping freq's from 150 on down and a level control for that, and let's not forget the bass control on your bass if you're active.... so you've got a few tools to really get your sound the way you like it. Same for the treble and mids. If you're into surgical control of your eq, you'll have it with the 737, but surgical tools in the hands of a brickmason are a waste, so you'll have to really take some time to learn how to use the 737. I'm still learning. Give it some time before you throw in the towel. THere are quite a few STT-1 players out there (Oddio from Canada... look him up) and lots of guys have TD-1's, all have plusses and minuses.

    Having said all of that, the phrase that essentially renders all of that null and void is the fact that once the rest of the band kicks in, no one in the audience will know or care what you're playing through....but you will. And as long as you can get it like YOU like it... that's all that really matters. I think you will be able to get it like you want it once you take the time to figure it out. It's a swiss army knife. Honestly, the sound that really makes me go wow with my Smith 6 is active eq on the Smith and bypass the eq on the 737. I can get really loud and it's clean.... like a way overpriced U5.... but since I've invested in it, I'm really trying to strike a balance with the eq. I want to use it.... it cost to much to be a passive box!!
     
  5. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    So......your saying I'm a brick Mason? :smug: Just kidding! Actually, Im an electrician. Your the man Mario. I appreciate all the insight on the preamp. I am sure that I will love it and since I've used alo of different gear, the controls should not be to hard to get a handle on. I guess that I just got alittle freaked out after using a different rig last night and realizing that the AG500 wasn't there just in case. I will be using the avalon to push my power amp and speakers and since there is only one output, I will need some sort of di to feed the board for in-ear monitors. My speakers sit out front with the P.A. so I have no front of house support. The crowd hears my bass amp, not the pa sound. If anyone one could recommend a type of di, etc that I could run the Avalon into with one out feeding the board and the other out feeding my amp, that would be great. It must not degrade the sound of the Avalon going to my poweramp of though! Thanks again Mario, for all your patience with my questions.
     
  6. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    lol,

    this thread is soooooooooo mislabeled.. :p

    but good thoughts guys. :cool:
     
  7. kringle77

    kringle77 Supporting Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Massena NY
    Your right Joker! I re-titled the thread. Anyone else?