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GK NEO vs. Schroeder 410

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by pablomigraine, Dec 6, 2005.


  1. pablomigraine

    pablomigraine Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 9, 2005
    New York
    VP & Managing Director - Willcox Basses
    anyone have any opinions on how these two would stack up in terms of tone and volume given the same amp and settings?





    ( hate to say it, but my Schroeder is sounding a little "dull" these days, and I may need to sell some stuff and get some cheaper stuff....)
     
  2. Fretless5verfan

    Fretless5verfan Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Philadelphia
    What exactly do you mean by dull? Is it just not your fancy anymore or does the amp actually sound different?
     
  3. Steve S

    Steve S

    Jul 26, 2000
    Yea, what's wrong with it?
     
  4. Yes... more info would be good. By dull, do you mean not enough sizzle or are you just tired of it.

    One thing I think I can safely say without any other info... for pure volume, the Schroeder410 would bury any single GK cab ever made. If you don't like the sound, that's another story.
     

  5. While I havent heard a Schroeder, I will say that it would be hard for it to bury the GK Neo212. I have a Neo 212 and it is a LOUD cab.
     
  6. Fretless5verfan

    Fretless5verfan Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Philadelphia
    I wouldn't doubt that the 212 is loud at all (GK stuff is no slouch in the loud dept. that's for sure) but i also wouldn't doubt that a Schro 410 could probably beat it volume wise.
     
  7. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    2 GK neo 2x12s would probably get the job done.
     
  8. DAcat

    DAcat

    Jun 14, 2005
    Iowa
    I ABed :bassist: a Schroeder 410 with a GK neo 810 powered by a GK 1000RBII and the Schro smoked it :) ...not only was the Schro markedly louder than the 810 when the amp was left on the same settings at different volume levels(Which really became apparent at moderate to high volumes,ie normal stage volumes for playing a small to large club),but at 50% gain and 80% master, the neo started to break-up and distort ,while the Schro at that same point just seemed find its pace and started to take off to new sonic levels and became even louder and clearer,punchier and downright BAAAD :hyper: (in the good sense of the word )...ya dig? ;) Since the Schro handles 1400W, its likely just getting about 1/2 its maximum speaker load. Not only are the Schroder speakers more efficient,louder,they can handle more power without strain or distortion, I thought they had a much warmer,yet cleaner sound overall when I went through the different tone settings-but it comes in a smaller, lighter package than an 810 cab. :D I personally haven't thought about the Neo since... :bag:
     

  9. All of this statement would hold more validity if you knew what you were talking about. As I GK endorsee, I can tell you for sure that there isnt a Neo 810. GKs 810 is a part of the SBX line. That explains why the Schroeder was louder. The SBX line has a lower wattage rating than the RBH and Neo lines, and the 810SBX is only rated for 800 watts.

    Say what you will, if you havent played a GK Neo, not an SBX series cab, then I cant expect you to know how loud they are.
     
  10. Fretless5verfan

    Fretless5verfan Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Philadelphia
    A neo 212 with 105db, 24in of speaker area, and 600 watt RMS isn't gonna match a 103db, 40in, 1400watt RMS cab. Midrange voodoo on the ears might help the GK out, but it's just not gonna be able to keep up with the 410. ;)

    Now the 412 on the other hand... :hyper:
     
  11. Not doggin' the GK stuff... played if for years and years (not cabs but heads) back in the day. To be honest, you don't see many GK cabinets around... but I haven't played the newer models. The older ones were not so good :(

    To the point.... a lot of people love the Schroeders, quite a few don't like the specific tone... but virtually everyone agrees they are the loudest darn things we've ever heard. If you don't like the sound, that's not necessarily a good thing :). However, the luckiest players on the planet are those that like the Schroeder sound, because you can virtually do a heavy metal gig with a cab about the size of most 112's! Truly amazing IMO.
     
  12. Chef

    Chef Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine
    So if I read this right...you're saying you have a Schroeder cabinet and it's gone "flat" on you? As a guy that has both a 1210 and a 410 that have worked real hard in the last year, I can say this has not been my experience. I would suggest three things if this is the case.
    1) check and make sure the horn attenuator is turned on, and up. Put year ear right next to the horn is working.
    2) put new stainless rounds on your bass. this will brighten your tone substantially if you have old dead strings.
    3) if 1 and/or 2 don't help, call Jorg and see if you can get the optional selenium horn coming your way. These are substanitally brighter. Jorg may have other suggestions, so call him anyway. His customer service is toooop notch!


    chef
     
  13. pablomigraine

    pablomigraine Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 9, 2005
    New York
    VP & Managing Director - Willcox Basses
    The Schroe is just starting to sound dull and undefined. Maybe becuase I fried my power amp and cant afford a new one so I'm using my buddy's Ampeg SVT 5Pro.

    Anyway, it's just not making me happy for psychosomatic reasons, or becuase it's only getting 1000 Ampeg watts (prolly about 600-800 watts real world). Either way I can't afford a satisfactory power amp BUUUUTTT If I sell my BBe Bmax-t, my road case, my rack tuner, my distro pedal, and my Schroeder, I will be just about able to afford THIS: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/482541/

    this is what brings about my question. I know the Schroeder is louder given the wattage. The Schroe is wayyyy loud enough for any loud enough for any live situation, but even with this setup and 1300 watts going into it, I can barely hear myself at rehearsal. I've accepted this and it's not gonna get better unless I start using a pick and get an 810. I really need a solution very soon. This seems to be my only option.
     
  14. el_Kabong

    el_Kabong

    Jul 11, 2005
    Some folks have had cabling problems when trying to bridge those amps. Are you sure it's running in bridge mode?
     
  15. pablomigraine

    pablomigraine Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 9, 2005
    New York
    VP & Managing Director - Willcox Basses
    yeah it's bridged.
     
  16. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    Maybe the accoustics of the room are screwing you up, or the way you have things EQed isnt working out. You might just be matching the same frequencies as the guitarists.
     
  17. DAcat

    DAcat

    Jun 14, 2005
    Iowa
    Hey-ebmusicmanlvr83-It looks like I stand corrected in re; to the GK-Neo business...I don't profess to be a GK expert,but I was told at the music store that the GK810 cab I was playing through was the latest by GK and had Neo speakers in the cab-I believed him. But I've just reviewed the website and see no GK 810 cab that has Neo speakers in it as you have stated...............So I will officially change my above AB. The cab that looks closest to what I played during my AB with the Schroeder 410 is the GK SBX810,which appears to be GK's top line 810 cab which the website states is rated at 800W. But it was not the cheaper Backline series BLX810 rated at 600W,(since it had a horn). Otherwise I stand by my AB. At the time I was seriously considering purchasing some GK equipment and my only intention was to do an honest AB to guide my own decision making...and I'm not wishing to knock your GK equipment now. I've not played through your Neo speakers(I wish I had) so I cannot compare them to the 410 Schroeder cab...enjoy your GK-Neos...And Peace :) be with you bro...
     
  18. DAcat

    DAcat

    Jun 14, 2005
    Iowa
    Have you tried powering your cab with a different head lately-maybe you have some bad tubes,other head problems? :confused:
     
  19. Adam Barkley

    Adam Barkley Mayday!

    Aug 26, 2003
    Jackson, MS
    I'd say turning down at rehearsal is the better option. If 1300 watts into a Schroeder isn't loud enough than nothing will be. I never really dug my 1210's sound, but it was very, very loud.

    I would definitely try that first before I spent 1400 dollars.
     
  20. seaKamp

    seaKamp

    Jun 30, 2005
    Chicago
    +1

    I have a 410 powered by a CA9. I run it in stereo so the most I'd be putting into the Schroeder is 900 watts. I would NEVER EVER come close to using all of that at rehearsal(or even a gig for that matter). I usually keep the dial on my CA9 around halfway and don't even get the volume knob on my bass cranked and it is plenty fine. Anything more than that and that cab should start to disintegrate the foundation of the house we are rehearsing in. You most likely have a problem with your amp.

    Sell whatever you can and pick up a used Crest CA9. You will be surprised what the 410 is capable of!