GK vs. GK

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Warpeg, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. Warpeg


    Jun 20, 2005
    My go-to large gig rig has been my GK 1001RB-II and NEO 412 for several years. It's been a great rig. The tone is perfect. The volume is where I need it to be. The only downside is that it is somewhat large-ish to move around. It's not nearly as bad as the old days when I lugged the ol' SVT and 810 around, but it's still big and heavy enough to be annoying at times.

    My go-to small/medium gig rig is a GK MB112-II combo. It does very well for both DB and EB in various small pubs, wine bars, coffee shops, etc. It sounds great. It's fairly powerful for its size. It's light and takes up very little room.

    I'm thinking of possibly ditching the entire large gig rig and purchasing the 112MBP powered extension cabinet for the MB112-II, but I have concerns:
    • For large gigs, I would be going from 700-watts/4x12" to 400-watts/2x12". Putting aside the arguments about wattage and drivers, it's obvious that there will be limitations to the MB112-II/112MBP rig when compared to the 1001RB-II/NEO 412 rig. Has anyone out there in TB land been in this situation and can speak to the volume of the MB112-II/112MBP setup?
    • I like the tone of my large rig at large-stage volume. I like the tone of my small rig in small settings. However, I do not know how I will like the tone of the MB112-II and 112MBP together at high volume. Demoing this setup at a store may help me to see the basic potential of the setup, but I really need to hear it in a band setting to know its true potential. Can anyone comment on the quality of the MB112-II/112MBP setup?
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  2. mmbongo

    mmbongo I have too many basses. Supporting Member

    The MB112 setup is fantastic....for what it is. It's a small, lightweight setup which is great for practice and small shows.

    However what it is NOT is a 1001RBII through a 4x12. Not even close. I think you will be dissapointed.
  3. Red Planet

    Red Planet Inactive

    May 29, 2005
    I'm cranky in my old age.
    Alls I can say is you have one incredible rig. That must annihilate
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  4. joel406

    joel406 Inactive

    Dec 27, 2013
    Why not get a pair of 212 neo cabs?

    Use as directed.
  5. Omega Monkey

    Omega Monkey

    Mar 8, 2015
    I personally wouldn't do that, but I don't at all understand the trend of so many bass players needing to fit their whole rig in their back pocket. If you wanted tiny gear, you should have taken up piccolo.

    The 412 is an excellent cab. I will likely get another one some day. As "big" cabs go, it's about as portable as you could hope for. Not much more weight than an old school 4x10, but about 2-3x the power handling. With a big, open sound.

    So assuming you have a vehicle that can accommodate it (of course, I've been spoiled, driving minivans the last 3 years), and have bandmates on hand any time stairs might be an issue, I'm not sure you're going to get that much of a portability increase going to the MB stuff. In terms of weight, you'll be doing what, 30-50 lbs lighter overall? And it will be more modular for fitting into tiny cars that don't have a hatchback. But I think you will take a pretty big hit on both volume and tone. A 1001 and a NEO 412 is really hard to beat honestly. Yes, there are a bunch of guys on here with super fancy, expensive rigs, and that's totally cool, and I appreciate that stuff and would love to have some of it. But your current rig is like a muscle car. It may not do everything, but it will get the job done pretty much every time and you'll have a lot of fun with it.

    So I wouldn't switch like you are suggesting. The only thing I MIGHT do in that line is just ADD the extra powered cab, rather than sell anything to get it. Personally, I think a better bet would be just get a NEO 212, and use that with the 1001. You'll have the same exact tone as you have now, just a bit less volume and headroom. And you'll shave about 50 pounds of your rig when that's all you need. Bonus points if you could get GK to make you a 4 ohm version of the 212 (ie swap out the drivers and the crossover). They have all these parts already, it's just a matter of bolting them in differently. Get the 4 ohm crossover from the NEO 412, and get the 8 ohm 12s from the NEO 112. Bob's yer uncle.
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  6. ctmullins

    ctmullins Dominated Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 18, 2008
    MS Gulf Coast
    I'm highly opinionated and extremely self-assured
    Can you rent the extension cab for one large gig? That would let you evaluate the smaller rig before selling the big rig.
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  7. Warpeg


    Jun 20, 2005
    Lots of good feedback. Thanks everyone!
  8. Spidey2112


    Aug 3, 2016
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  9. Red Planet

    Red Planet Inactive

    May 29, 2005
    I'm cranky in my old age.
    I wish I could play a gig where I could use two of the 4x12s and a 2001RB. I'd be like taking over the universe or at least tearing a hole through the space time continuum.
  10. Ryan L.

    Ryan L. Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Aug 7, 2000
    West Fargo, ND
    I gigged exactly what you use for your large rig for a couple years. I think you’ll regret getting rid of it. That combo is definitely something special, that will be pretty tough to replicate with a pair of 112’s.
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  11. Hand slap

    Hand slap

    Feb 14, 2016
    I have had the 412, and the 1001RB rig a few times. I was actually able to get the 412 in the the back seat of my Camry I had at the time. It is more easy to transport then you might think. It can get painfully loud!
  12. As far as the " get 2 2x12's" goes,... I tried that and the regular 412, to my ears, sounded much better. The neo 212's are tuned a bit differently than the 412. A pair of 212's got a bit mushy/boomy to my ears. Just pick up the 112 to go with your combo, the powered 112's have been discontinued if I remember correctly. So search the used market.
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
  13. birminghambass

    birminghambass Supporting Member

    Sep 18, 2002
    Birmingham, AL
    I've owned just about every GK Neo cab ever made. Currently down to a 2x12, 1x15, and 2 1x12s. I say keep the 4x12, nothing else of theirs can match the juice that cab pumps out. You've got 2 great rigs that can fit any situation.
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  14. heynorm


    Oct 21, 2010
    Omaha, NE
    If you have room keep the big rig, the combo, get the MBP and use as needed, according to the gig.
  15. My suggestion would be to get rid of both rigs and get a GK MB212 combo. This would give you more available volume than the MB112 plus extension cab, and also give you the ability to add the MBP212 for a 1000 watt 412 if you ever wanted to.
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  16. Sparkl


    Apr 23, 2011
    There is no replacement for displacement.

    There is no telling that you will or may not like the idea you proposed. Though you will definitely never get the same air-moving feeling with a 2x12 setup compared to 4x12. Even better, 8x10.
  17. gmarcus

    gmarcus Supporting Member

    Apr 4, 2003
    1001RBII is much more punchy than the combo. The high pass filter in 4 string mode is perfect (as you know). The combos sound okay but they are voiced deeper and it just doesn’t work well at high volumes.
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  18. Red Planet

    Red Planet Inactive

    May 29, 2005
    I'm cranky in my old age.
    OP perhaps hold out for one of the new Legacy 800 watt 2x10 combos. I do believe it may be a while before they are released, maybe some time next year or end of this year.
  19. Warpeg


    Jun 20, 2005
    Everyone's input has given me much to consider. In the end, I think many posters hit the nail on the head that I just can't expect a 400w 2x12 rig to perform similarly to a 700w 4x12 rig. The burden of the big rig really isn't all that bad; maybe I just need to stop being whiny. :D

    I will keep all of my current equipment and maybe look for a used 112MBP after GK discontinues them (which I believe is soon).
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  20. Warpeg


    Jun 20, 2005
    While I may not end up with one of the combos, I may be interested in looking at the Legacy 800 head. My 1001RB-II is performing flawlessly, but it is 13 years old. If I start having wear issues with it, then I'll have to see about taking an 800 for a spin.