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Good head and cheap Cabinet?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Bass18, Sep 8, 2001.


  1. Bass18

    Bass18 Guest

    Jul 21, 2001
    Australia
    I've got a question. I'm planning on getting a new head and cabinet, and I originally thought that If I got a good quality head (Ampeg), then I could get a decent second hand cabinet for fairly cheap. I got the impression that the head was what mattered most and the cabinet wont sound too bad if I got an average quality one (unless its in really bad shape). However yesterday I was talking to my friend (a guitarist) and he was telling me that some guy in a music shop said it was the cabinet that mattered the most, not the head.
    I knew that the quality of the cabinet would affect the quality of the sound, but is it really that much of a difference? Will a second hand cabinet sound alot crapper than a new Ampeg cabinet? (assuming the second hand cabinet is of decent quality and not broken).
    So would I be correct in saying that the head matters first and foremost, and an average quality cabinet would do until I have the money for a better one?
     
  2. I'm gonna give you an old cliche--the speaker cabinet is the last thing in the signal chain and arguably the most important. I've played very expensive basses (MTD, high-end Fenders, Peavey Cirrus, to name some examples) through really ass cabinets (Peavey, Carvin) and they sound like $200 Lotuses.
     
  3. I agree. Cabinets are the key, unless your going to a board then its in the hands of the sound engineer. But dollars to dougnuts I would invest in good cabinets as a starting point. Then mess around with different amps on top
     
  4. Carvin- Good cheap heads/cabinets!
     
  5. BWB

    BWB

    Aug 30, 2000
    Knoxville TN
    I'd take exception to the Carvin quote. I've owned
    Peavey and Carvin, at the same time, and the
    Carvin is much better and sounds REAL good.
    Maybe not '$1000 for 4x10' good, but we're
    talking about inexpensive, right? I play a ADA
    MB-1 preamp feeding a SWR Bass 350 to my
    Carvin 4x10 with a P-Bass and it sounds terrific.

    Scott
     
  6. Comakazi

    Comakazi

    May 3, 2001
    Midwest US
    Yea, I'm going to have to go with Carvin, too. I've been using a 4x10 for many years now and it does sound great. I'm not the biggest fan of their heads, but for the money the cabs sound great -- and that IS what we're talking about, right?
    If you have a grand or so to spare, definitely go SWR or Eden, but if not Carvin is a great way to go. I've been running a Trace through mine for the last two years and I've had many compliments on the tone I get.

    Thi is just my opinion, though, so take with a grain of salt, and try things out yourself. Trust your ears.
     
  7. True, Carvin stuff is good for the price. But, given the choice between used Eden and new Carvin, for the same price, I chose used Eden and haven't looked back since. I've always thought of Carvin cabs as Eden-wannabes--the punchy bass and stinging treble are there, but the incredible low-mid wallop isn't.
     
  8. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    What're you talking about?
    I use a Peavey rig, and I perfer it to any other.
    I've tried quite a few cabs also.

    The only thing I'd consider changing in my rig would be from my 115BXBW to a Bag End deep 1x15.
    And that'd only be if I'd ever want more bottom, Which I don't.

    Perhaps you just don't know how to EQ an amp properly?

    I find your post incredibly offensive, and insolent.

    I'm not quite sure which Peavey cabinet you've played, but it'd seem quite odd if you find the same cabinet I play to be "ass".

    I can't vouch for Carvin. However, I can vouch for Peavey. Unless you've tried like one of their incredibly old TX models, you must have your head in your ass. :oops:
     
  9. DON'T MIX AN AMPEG HEAD W/ A CARVIN CAB!!! I KNOW A GUY WHO DID THIS and all it did was have a lot of distortion and it would hum when it wasn't turned on.
     
  10. If you like that awful honk so much, I, in turn, question the location of your cranium. ;) As to your saying that I don't know how to EQ an amp--please. I'm not one of those mid-scooping yokels. I happen to leave my WT-300 flat most of the time and get my midrange characteristic from the balance knob on the bass.

    I haven't tried one of the new TVX cabs, but both the TX and TXF series--in my preferred 2x10/4x10 configuration--have the same honky midrange and shrill highs. Given that they're using the same drivers in the new cabs, I somehow doubt that they sound much better.

    These days, I don't even waste my time plugging into Peavey rigs when I test basses. If there isn't an Eden or Eden-esque rig (Aguilar, Carvin, to an extent Ampeg) available, I grab a J-style bass (pretty much any will do) to find out the cab's frequency response characteristics and test the desired instrument from there.
     
  11. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    Sorry to be like this but...
    You are talking NONSENSE man.
    How can a SPEAKER CABINET HUM while there is no CURRENT/VOLTAGE/POWER/WHATEVER to the SPEAKERS?

    The Distortion could have been caused by a Faulty amp or Clipping.

    Man.. that part of the amp turned off is really funny.
     
  12. i don't understand how it can hum when it's not turned on..:confused:
     
  13. Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    Hehe, yeah man. I believe that could be a couple of small animals inside of the cabinet playing Cards and drinking while humming some song he just played.

    LOL
    :D
     
  14. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Either that or it's time to adjust the meds;)

    The Peavey thing is an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less... is that so bad? At least they don't hum when they're turned off.

    Given the choice between new Carvin and used Eden, I'd take Eden every time. That has no bearing on what anyone else should do... I've gotten the results I want with Eden (and a few other cabs, too). I could gig with Carvin, Crate, Peavey, Ampeg or whatever but since I get to choose when I spend my money, I choose what I like.

    Anyone else can feel free to do the same;)
     
  15. Freakapotamus9

    Freakapotamus9

    Jun 20, 2001
    Nebraska
    what now in the what what? :confused:
     
  16. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    Shrill highs? My Peavey rig's punchy, but doesn't nearly get any excessive highs. Also, where do you get "honky" midrange from? Peavey cabinets are VERY smooth, especially their 10"'s. Quotting someone (I forget who) "They have a pillowy bass tone".


    Having your EQ set flat proves nothing, just that you find no need to boost or cut anything. Not everyone is after the same tone you are. Amp companies aren't competing to be sufficial to you.

    I'm done here.
     
  17. Ty McNeely

    Ty McNeely

    Mar 27, 2000
    TX



    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Children, children. This is utterly ridiculous. You each have your own personal tastes, and insults do nothing but tick each other off.

    Analog, there's no sense in saying that any company's products sound like "ass". If you don't like it, then more power to you, at least you know what you want.

    CrawlingEye, you know very well Peavey's reputation around TB. Most people JUST DON'T like them. I respect you for trying to change that, but saying that someone has their head in their ass in NOT the way to gain respect for me (nor anyone else) or change anyone's opinion.

    I'm disappointed that I even had to type this.
     
  18. Brad Johnson

    Brad Johnson Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2000
    Gaithersburg, Md
    Boom Bass Cabinets, DR strings
    Ummm, he said he doesn't like Peaveys, not CrawlingEyes. What's up with the hostility?

    BTW what did this mean?

    "Amp companies aren't competing to be sufficial to you"
     
  19. CrawlingEye

    CrawlingEye Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    Easton, Pennsylvania
    I apologize.
    I just get quite angry when people jump to conclusions about things, especially my own equipment.

    If Analogkid would like to respond to anything I've just said, I suggest responding via Private Message.
     
  20. cassanova

    cassanova

    Sep 4, 2000
    Florida
    pish posh!! i have 2 carvin cabs, and run them thru an ampeg svp with hartke for the power, and i dont get any hum what so ever.

    How an amp will hum when its not turned on is beyond my comprehension as theres no power flowing to create the hum.