Got a thoery....

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by bluesy_92, Jan 11, 2009.

  1. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    I have this theory that sunburst finishes sound better than solid finishes.

    It may sound stupid, but I have a good reason to believe this.
    I was watching a tour of the Fender USA factory. During the tour, they said they chose which pieces of wood were good enough for sunburst, and which pieces would get a solid finish. Beautiful pieces of wood also have good tonal qualities, such as tight grain, consistancy, few or no deviations in the grain, etc. So, to sum it up, my theory is as follows: "Sunburst finishes, which have exposed grain, have better quality tone woods." I'm looking for a lutheirs thought on this.
     
  2. Fetusyolk

    Fetusyolk Guest

    Aug 7, 2008
    If this is true then natural finishes are better sounding than sunburst finishes?
     
  3. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    Pretty much...if I'm right, the more exposed the grain is, the better the sound. Sunburst uses color, but natural finishes show the wood straight-up, so they may have even better wood, so if you get the same model, with the same quality neck and electronics, in sunburst and natural, the natural may sound better.
     
  4. Greenman

    Greenman Guest

    Dec 17, 2005
    Ontario Canada
    ...and 1pc. bodies are better than 2pc. and 2pc. are better than 3pc. Less glue lines. :eyebrow:
     
  5. Bubba Ghanoosh

    Bubba Ghanoosh Guest

    Nov 4, 2008
    metro Phoenix, AZ
    They certainly don't make you play any better.
    I'll attest to that! :p
     
  6. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    Also worth mentioning, the sunburst finishes won't have any filler, since the grain is exposed. The solid finishes may use filler if the wood is not perfect.....
     
  7. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008

    Lose the "glue lines" sarcasm. This is based on wood quality, not the look of the instrument. My theory is as follows: Better wood = Better tone, and Exposed grain = Better wood. NOT Pretty finish = Better tone.
     
  8. bradd

    bradd

    Jan 27, 2008
    Minneapolis, MN
    They base the color of the instrument on the appearance of the wood, not how it sounds. 'Tis true that a manufacturer will probably hide a poor quality piece under a solid color. They're all going to sound about the same coming out of your amplifier.
     
  9. Greenman

    Greenman Guest

    Dec 17, 2005
    Ontario Canada
    No sarcasm intended and I wasn't talking about looks. I seriously doubt you can tell the difference between a sunburst versus solid color J bass but if you can you have a talented ear.
     
  10. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    Sorry....seriously thought you were being sarcastic.

    As far as noticing the difference, it probably isn't very noticable, if at all. I just think there is a difference there....that, and the "filler" comment earlier. filler diminishes tone.
     
  11. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    Your "thoery" is predicated on this statement, but I don't think this is a valid connection to draw necessarily.
     
  12. scottyd

    scottyd Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2006
    Waco Tx
    Builder/owner Redeemer Basses
    All a sunburst finish does is use darker tinted finish to help hide where the top veneer joins the body. The "tops" you’re referring to are actually a thin veneer especially on factory guitars, thin and cheap they leave an undesirable thin edge where the body and veneer meet. The sunburst finish has no effect on "tone" This is by far the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum to date.:rollno:
     
  13. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
    I don't know, Scotty, a while ago there was a guy who pulled out his truss rod and filled the cavity with BBs... tough to beat that one.

    Can't find the thread, but it was head-scratching hilarity.
     
  14. scottyd

    scottyd Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2006
    Waco Tx
    Builder/owner Redeemer Basses
    If that is indeed true then I stand corrected! :p:D
     
  15. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    He removed his truss rod and filled the cavity with BB's?

    Wow, that almost makes my thread seem good.....

    "Mommy, I can't adjust my neck relief. What's wrong?"
     
  16. bluesy_92

    bluesy_92 Guest

    Aug 25, 2008
    Also, not all sunburst models use a vaneer, I know what your talking about, but that only applies to some models. There ARE some sunburst models without a vaneer.
     
  17. Taylor Livingston

    Taylor Livingston Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 25, 2002
    Oregon, US
    Owner, Iron Ether Electronics
  18. dreadheadbass

    dreadheadbass Guest

    Dec 17, 2007
    england
    would that mean a natrual finish would sound better than a sunburst?
     
  19. newbold

    newbold

    Sep 21, 2008
    Toronto
    Only if it means you can read a few posts up.
     
  20. Stone Age

    Stone Age Guest

    Apr 13, 2008
    Connecticut
    There really just aren't enough threads about wood and tone.