Gotoh Tuners in MM headstock?

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by Robscott, Jun 16, 2020.

  1. Robscott

    Robscott

    Mar 20, 2017
    Tonbridge UK
    I've searched on this and although there is lots of chat around the subject I can't find a definitive solution, so sorry if I've missed something. I'm doing a build and I want to put Gotoh tuners onto a stock MM clone headstock. The headstock is pre drilled for 18mm posts but the Gotoh posts are designed for 14mm holes (I know you can source other tuners but I want these particular ones for the Cosmo Black colour). I have seen where folks have filled the holes and re-drilled. Is that the standard solution for this? Can someone walk me through that? Or any other fixes? Thanks
     
  2. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    If you can find a thin bushing you can put that in the holes to widen them a bit. @JIO did this a while back, but I forget which bass...
     
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  3. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    If you can find sleeves (in a hardware store) that will work, you can do that - but either that or filling the holes with dowels/plugs will visually depend on the larger perimeter being covered by the tuner ferrule. I used the sleeve concept once but it's not ideal. If I had to do it now, I'd use the plug concept - but realize that even if you do a seamless filler/patch job that it will ghost through eventually. My overview recommendation is to find tuners you can live with that have the correct size posts.
     
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  4. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    Thinking about this a bit, because I can't recall installing Gotoh clovers...like ever?

    The 14mm is for the post - you'll have to have at least an 18mm hole to fit the bushing around the post into it, no?
     
  5. Robscott

    Robscott

    Mar 20, 2017
    Tonbridge UK
    Thanks, I'll check that again. If I'm reading the spec correctly I think 14mm is the external diameter of the Gotoh bushing so there's a gap. But maybe I got that wrong
     
  6. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    On the Gotoh site, they show the pillar diameter as 14mm, and the bushing OD as 17.6mm. (I'm assuming you're looking at GB640 s)
    GB640 - G-GOTOH

    GB640-Dim1024_1.jpg

    Edit: Any Gotoh supplier should be able to put in a custom order for you to get them in L or R and in Cosmo Black. I've waited roughly 3 months anytime I've put in a specific order with my local supplier.
     
  7. dwizum

    dwizum

    Dec 21, 2018
    I think we need a double-check on which Gotohs you are talking about. Per Beej's post above, their open-gear cloverleaf style has a 14mm post but a bushing to fit in the hole size you already have (18mm or roughly 23/32"). Whereas (slightly confusingly) their smaller tuners, like the gb707, have a smaller 11mm post and a 14mm bushing and need a 14mm hole.

    GTH-GB707-G-R-3.jpg

    Hipshot make conversion bushings meant to adapt a smaller post to a larger hole, but I don't know if the posts for the gb707 style gotoh are compatible with hipshot thread sizes, and they're not available in cosmo black anyways.

    I can't really picture how a sleeve would work, considering the nut/washer on the gb707 isn't big enough to confidently span an 18mm hole, so you're relying on the fit of the bushing in the hole to keep it in the head. Unless you add a larger washer, which again gets you a mismatch in color.

    If you're actually planning on using the smaller 11mm posts with 14mm bushings (like the gb707) then I would agree that plugging and redrilling is probably the best bet.
     
  8. Robscott

    Robscott

    Mar 20, 2017
    Tonbridge UK
    Yep, GB707 I was looking at. TBH I am rethinking this, as I am finding the business of sourcing matching hardware in Cosmo Black a PITA - as others on this thread have said, 3 months wait is normal. So now looking at black hardware, which means I can source from a much wider range of options. But thanks very much for the info, I may still end up having to mod the headstock