I have a deceased friend's jumbo Gulid 12'er, made in the mid 90's. It's a truly amazing acoustic instrument, but sadly developed a top bulge under the bridge saddle that is , I've found, common to 12 strings. This made the action unplayably high. There are a few ways to fix this , and I did drop a few bennies to a good luthier to at least get it playable in lower positions. The last few years, I keep it tuned down a full step as well. In a GC today, they had a 1975 dreadnought Guild 12'er. So I spent a little time strumming on that. Had it been a '74, I might have put a deposit on it. '74 is my birth year. Year of the Tiger : ) GC wants $800 for that guitar, and I'm not in the market. And I need to fix my friend's, which honestly has a better sound. While the '75 completely blew away to new Takamine they had hanging there, it can't touch the jumbo in terms of low end. Not much else to say here right now. I just really dig 12-strings, and this was a good reminder to get back into the mission of fixing Robbie's guitar.