Lurking guitar player here (now ducking). This forum, while established for bass players, always seems to have good discussions about band dynamics. This topic seems to straddle a few categories, so I figured I'd see if anyone wanted to weigh in here. Bass player is our BL, btw, but is very non-confrontational and I pick up a lot of the slack. I'm playing lead and rhythm in a classic & alt rock band for two and a half years (minus the obvious). Nobody in the band is a pro, except the drummer, though the potential is there to be really good. We rehearse weekly and have worked at getting "tight" for a long time now yet made only some progress. This includes both guitars going off independently to practice parts together. A problem (besides sound levels and members using rehearsal time for practice) is how to talk with the other guitar player about poor timing. While not calling out the individual, the drummer has raised it. I've raised it. We all agree it needs attention, but not if there is a specific cause. Easy Petty songs aren't bad. Songs where I am or virtually the only guitar (ie Coll.Soul, Shine), we sound tight (and I can hear it if I'm not!). But for other songs, as soon as two guitars come in we sound like a wall of noise. It gets better if I adjust my play to match the other guitar, but not great. The other guitar does recognize when we sound like crap but continually seeks external causes to fix such as trying to show me how to play my parts. I admit when I forget a chord or get sloppy, but a dropped chord now and then doesn't ruin a whole song. A quick song example - Foo's Learn To Fly has two different rhythm parts played simultaneously. The different chords work if played tight with the rhythm section (its Taylor and Nate, after all), but a fraction out of time, it sound like we're playing completely different songs. He's convinced that he's playing it correctly. So am I. He was in the band before me. Confronting it is sure to end up in finger pointing. Do bass players have a teachable method for this? Am I missing something and it is not a timing issue? Is timing an irreparable issue worth leaving over? I'm frustrated enough to consider leaving for a long time - but the members are good people, I like the songs and its better playing than not playing, since as you all know, there are guitar players littering every bloody street corner looking for a band.