guitarrist WAAAAAAAAY better

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by bassbrother666, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. bassbrother666


    Feb 13, 2013
    hey fellows, so i am starting a project with a friend of mine who is the best guitarrist that i have ever seen, i've known him for a year or so for my principal band, and we are doing a side project together, but my "problem" is: He is WAAAAAAY better than me, i mean he shreds like hell and it seems like he knows everything, so sometimes i have problems with following him, and i really try to do my best, my problem is that i am starting to get the "well he is no match for him (the guitarrist)"
    do you have any advices or similar cases?
  2. My advice would be to stay with it as long as you can. You will learn so much from people that seem 'out of your league." Ask questions, ask advice on techniques, and don't get frustrated if you can't get something. Hopefully he is willing to help you out when you need it.
  3. Bass_Nishi


    Jul 14, 2013
    Take tips from him!!!
  4. Cycho


    Nov 30, 2010
    Stick with it and work hard to get better. You won't improve much by playing with bad players.
  5. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    If he is willing to play with you despite him being way better consider it a good thing.
    There is lots to learn, and playing with better musicians is a good way to go about it.
  6. Fat Steve

    Fat Steve The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.

    You, my friend, have stumbled upon the dream scenario. Learn all that you can, and play till your fingers fall off. Leech off of his wisdom, and don't drive him away if you can help it. I was in the same position but I was the gui**** and the bass player was the insanely good one. Fundamentally shaped me as a musician, and I still play with the cat to this day.
  7. Hobobob

    Hobobob Don't feed the troll, folks.

    Jan 25, 2011
    Camarillo, CA
    You will never learn more than playing in a band with musicians that are better than you.
  8. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Don't be overly impressed with the fact that he shreds. My last guitar player was a damn good soloist, but his rhythm was terrible. We swapped instruments once just as a goof, and I was a much better guitar player than he was a bassist. I don't know exactly what point I am trying to make here other than, if you can hold down a solid groove while he solos on top of it, then you are fine.

    I bought my first bass a month before I started jamming with guys that have been doing it for over 30 years. I learned a ton from those guys, and it didn't take long to become a pretty solid bassist. If it wouldn't have been for that experience, I wouldn't be nearly the player I am now. There are things you can only learn by playing in a band situation.
  9. What type of songs are you playing? Is it more of a jam/improv, or structured songs.

    If your playing covers or originals that are finished and/or have a solid structure, and I would recommend practicing those songs at home so you can get up to speed.

    If you're doing more jam/improv stuff, that can be harder for newer musicians to get, as it takes a while to develop your ear and your feel for different rhythms. Maybe write down/record some of your jam ideas, and again practice at home so you can get better at them.

    Either way, stick with it, because as the others have said, playing with better musicians is a great way to build your skills.
  10. Good point here. There are those guitarists that can shred all day, but can't really play a song, or play with others, since their timing is "unique".
  11. +1 ^^^ This.

    And record so you can take it home and work on it.
  12. portlandguy


    Feb 15, 2011
    Portland, OR
    Michale Anthony kind of just hung back and let Eddie V H rip away. look at it that way. Imagine if Geddy Lee was in the same band as Eddie VH - that might not have worked.
  13. Fat Steve

    Fat Steve The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.

    Or if Les ended up joining Metallica after Cliff died.
  14. INTP


    Nov 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    I can think of a lot of guitar players that are serious shredders, and the bass part on their songs is often very simple. Holding down a solid groove while they wail can be a very popular combination. This doesn't mean that you cannot ramp up your part as you get better, but I wouldn't feel like you're not holding your part if you're not playing 197th notes at 276 BPM.
  15. 3star2nr


    Jun 2, 2013
    Keep doing what you do the only way to get better is to play with better players also lots of time guys who shred are good at only a few choice tricks and after hang in with them for awhile yould pick up their tendencies and not be as intimidated.

    So yeah man hang in there and play your best
  16. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    Ask the guitar player how you're doing?
  17. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol

    Guitarists often prefer a bass player under their level so they don't have to deal with Jaco wannabes.If he doesn't complain, you're good.

    The opposite situation is a lot more difficult to manage especially in a rock contest because it really shows when the bassist takes over musically.
  18. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    I'd say all the other guys in my band are better than I am, not at playing the bass, but comparatively on their own instruments, and also in terms of music theory and such. I'm happy they tolerate me, I can at least put down a solid enough fundation and not mess up noticeably. We get compliments, people stomp their feet and dance at shows, so I can say I jell well enough with the drummer and fill a function without standing out with any fireworks or solos. If you get a chance to play with more skilled people, jump at the chance. I learn stuff every time we rehearse and play and I'm pushed to improve so I'm not lowering the overall quality of what we do.
  19. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS *

    Jan 25, 2002
    The frozen north
    I think no-one should be following someone else, you should both know where you are going and play it together.

    If anything I'd however say it's really the bass player who is often leading the music; just a few notes or a short run can build up to the next solo, go from verse to chorus, etc. People very seldom realize it though, but it's a powerful thing to be able to lead the band and the audience or change the color of the chords with just a few notes. At least that's the theory, I'm not fully there yet. :)
  20. bigswifty1


    Dec 8, 2011
    It's like tennis and golf - there is ALWAYS someone better and worse than you.

    Treat it like "paying it forward" ..... there will come a day when you're playing with someone who's not as good as you. When that day comes, think of the guitarist you're playing with now, and it will all fall into place :)