Gut String Help!

Discussion in 'Strings [DB]' started by TheDellow, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:06 PM.


  1. TheDellow

    TheDellow The Recovering Guitarist Supporting Member

    May 19, 2021
    Howdy, y'all. So I've tried plain gut strings on the D & G of my bass, and while the arco tone isn't exactly my favorite, I absolutely LOVE how you can be dynamically expressive at the quietest bowing level--that's something I have yet to find in any other string but gut itself. The only thing stopping me from going full gut (w/ wound gut A and E) is the tone issue and also a personal difficulty in expressing vibrato as I can on steel/synthetic strings.

    So...I'm looking for maybe the right type of gut or gut alternative that has the crazy bowed dynamic rage of plain gut, but with a more steel-string esque tone (when bowed) and an easier transference of vibrato? Does this exist or am I chasing a unicorn? I tried Pirastro Eudoxa but I couldn't bond with the almost 'sticky' feeling on the outer winding of the strings. TIA!

    PS - all aspects of gut when played pizz (aside from a lack of sustain and vibrato depth control) are perfect for what I want in a string--tension especially.
     
  2. TheDellow

    TheDellow The Recovering Guitarist Supporting Member

    May 19, 2021
    Or perhaps I need different rosin and a different type of horse hair on my bow?
     
  3. Reiska

    Reiska

    Jan 27, 2014
    Helsinki, Finland
    Hi, John Feeney uses Dlugolecki strings, Pop's rosin and white hair. Have you considered taking a lesson from a early music specialist? I've played at least a plain G string for a couple of years, but switched to Evah weichs because I wanted to see what's beyond gut bowed tone, feel and high action I needed for pizz playing. I think they are sorta missing link between gut and steel strings, but they aren' t capable for gut-type dynamics. Nothing is, I think actually. I'm happy with the Evahs, they serve me really well. After learning ( or not learning ) on guts they bow stupid easy.

    @eerbrev might know something about your issue, she bows gut strings all day long.
     
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  4. Eli Brockway

    Eli Brockway Supporting Member

    Oct 1, 2019
    If you want a more modern sort of bowed tone, you'll need to move to a more modern string. I find vibrato to be stupid easy with guts compared to steel or synthetic strings because the guts just pick up a ton of stuff a whole lot more easily. Otherwise, you can get gut to sound very clean and crisp with the bow, but that's technique-based more than anything, and it'll still sound like gut, thanks to how responsive it is (both for everything you want the strings to pick up, and everything you don't).
     
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  5. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    If it is just the outside wrap on the Eudoxas that bothers you, I feel the same way. Try the Olive G- similar composition but the feel is very close to a Spirocore, not the coarse Eudoxa feel....
     
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  6. krfoss

    krfoss Supporting Member

    Nov 29, 2007
    Orange County, CA
    I just bought @TheDellow 's former eudoxas and I can see the sticky feel he's talking about, especially with them on top of Spiro mittels. Kinda like ti flats vs roto 77s. Not awful, but noticable. I may have to try the olive too at some point. Rumor is they are considerably darker sounding. Any word on that compared to the eudoxa? Asking for me and maybe for dellows interest too.
     
  7. elmer

    elmer

    Oct 1, 2004
    Finland
    Well, there is a new string now which could be the answer to your needs. Genssler´s new Tempera string! Low tension, steelish sound and feel with deeper colours and great dynamic range. And they even have lots of sustain.
    See this thread So Gerold’s cooking up something new...
     
  8. eerbrev

    eerbrev

    Dec 6, 2009
    Ottawa, ON, CAN
    I'm actually a bit stuck on a budget-friendly wound gut string myself! If you've got the scratch, the Gamut wound gut strings are really great - get the higher tension strings IMO. Olives are another good option, though I have a Eudoxa low B string and I don't experience the stickiness you're mentioning.

    You might find the Oliv low strings a bit dark. Check the String Matrix youtube channel for a great breakdown.

    As for the bowing, When it comes to the bowed tone of plain gut It's just one of those things that disappears when you're in a section, and as a bowed jazz solo (or classical solo) you just sort of have to accept that that's the sound, and lean into the strange nasality that they have. For bowing the wound strings, You'd have to describe the issue you're having for me to help you better.
     
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