I'm talking about the portable kind here, the HDD players, not the flash memory. I'm in the market for one. I'm too poor for an iPod, although from what I've read it seems to be the best. I could only afford the 15gb model, and I'd like a bit more space than that. I've been looking at the Creative Nomad Zen Xtra in the 40gb size. I've heard horror stories about the headphone jacks with these, though. I've had that happen with many CD players, and it is infuriating, I don't want to live that again. I know someone here was a firm Zen advocate. I really like the fact that it will only cost me $270 for a 40gb player, but I've heard so much bad press. The RCA Lyra is out. It seems that positive reviews of those are completely non-existant. The Rio Karma is a possibility, if I wanted to pay a little more than the Zen, and get only 20gb of space. I've heard some bad stuff there about the audio quality, though. I haven't heard much about the Dell Jukebox, but some people have recommended those to me. What would you recommend?