Venues just ain't what they used to be, too many of us play in restaurants, and way too few ROCK rooms left. In other threads the term loud band, and loud rehearsal comes up all the time. There's already another thread about how loud is a 2x10, how loud is a neo this, or that? I mean, what do we consider a loud band now? When I started gigging weekly, in '77 a loud band meant there were full stacks on stage, and monitors were needed to hear the drums. There were no restaurants, and pubs with music, everybody played rock venues. It wasn't a good show unless everybody went home with ringing ears. Now an unmic'ed drumset raises the ire of people trying to eat wings and watch the game. I've never been in what I would call a LOUD band, but still, a few decades ago I played one hell of a lot louder than I do now. What is a loud band, and how is it different from when you started (assuming you've been playing more than a few years)? Genesis of this question- I'm playing a ROCK venue tonite. Every time I go there I'm assaulted at the door, and think 'Fer Dog's sake that's loud', and now I think back, it's nothing compared to the famous Toronto rock rooms...the Gasworks, or the Knob Hill- THAT was loud.