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Hat pegs

Discussion in 'Basses [DB]' started by randomname, Dec 21, 2005.

  1. randomname


    Aug 12, 2002
    Ok, quick question:
    What is the reasoning behind the hat peg style tuners? The bass I'm renting has these and I can't see any structural reason for them.

  2. Jeff Bollbach

    Jeff Bollbach Jeff Bollbach Luthier, Inc.

    Dec 12, 2001
    freeport, ny
    They are vestigial. No structural reason for them. Stick one in your ear though an its easy to tune when theres a lot of other noise.
  3. I bought my first bass based largely on fact that it had hat pegs. I thought they looked cool. The rest of the bass was a mess, but the hat pegs looked cool.
  4. pumpmuppet


    Nov 17, 2005
    So there's no practical reason for them then?

    (Managed to knock my head on them when I first got the bass. A little embarrassing!)
  5. I guess they're just decorative throwbacks to the days before mechanical tuners, when basses had peg-style tuners like violins, violas and cellos are still stuck with (though I have seen some cellos with bass-style tuners).
  6. Alexi David

    Alexi David

    May 15, 2003
    They're really good for hanging your watch on at eye level, when you're really rushing to scram from a bad wedding gig.....
  7. glivanos

    glivanos Supporting Member

    Jun 24, 2005
    Philadelphia Area
    I wonder if anyone has determined whether or not there are any sound benefits of the wood hat-type tuners vs. metal shafts.

    I do agree they look cool though!!
  8. Alexi David

    Alexi David

    May 15, 2003
    I got a feelin it's a bit like the bridge adjusters/wooden endpin/whatever debates......I think maybe there'd be a diff. between them and really really heavy metal tuners.....my speculation
  9. drurb

    drurb Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur; Mem. #1, EPC

    Apr 17, 2004

    Well, it depends whether the pegs are laminated, hybrid (laminated only in the back), or fully carved. If fully carved, Eastern European spruce pegs are reputed to sound the best but only if an oil-based finish is used. Maple pegs are, in general, second best. Also, the weight ratios among the four wooden pegs should match the inverse of the fundamantel frequency ratios of the strings such that the "G-peg" is lighter than the others.
  10. Tbeers


    Mar 27, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    I find it inconceivable that hat pegs make any difference in sound.

    They are very pretty, though... I especially like them on a new instrument.
  11. ToR-Tu-Ra


    Oct 15, 2005
    Mexico City
    :D I luv them hat pegs!
  12. B. Graham

    B. Graham Guest

    Aug 11, 2002
    I like them a lot too. I think they grip the windings a little better than brass, and I prefer the larger diameter shafts. I don't have them on the bass I've got now, but I'd consider installing them if I needed to. Although, I've grown maybe a little more fond of the French gears that pass-through the opposite cheek.
  13. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Banned Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Usually the Hat Peg gears are on cheaper worm and cog tuners like the old german stuff. I bought a new set of Rubners, the best I could find, for my Batchelder. Not as good as the look pretty. My Martini came over from Italy with the Rubners as well and I changed them out. The Brass Gears like the fine English, Sloan or Krutz are way better than any HatPeg system I have seen.
  14. B. Graham

    B. Graham Guest

    Aug 11, 2002
    Never seen any Krutz, but the Sloans are nice. They are too expensive, as are most other than the cheap Tyrolean's, but nice nonetheless.
  15. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Banned Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Here are some pics of the Krutz Gears on Basses of mine past and present;

  16. Tbeers


    Mar 27, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Those look the same as the ones on my bass. They must be the tuners that Arnold uses.

    Very, very smooth... but it can take a while to tune up a bass with them, I think due to the ratio.
  17. Ben Rose

    Ben Rose

    Jan 12, 2004
    It took those pics for me to put 2+2 together and figure out that Krutz is Anton Krutz with KC Strings. What a maroon. :rollno:
  18. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Banned Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    Maroon is one of my favorite colors too.. lol

    BTW, the Krutz gears are 40:1 ratio. I think Arnold does something with the handles which looks at least as nice.