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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by K Dubbs, Jul 17, 2002.
Who makes good headstockless basses?
Steinberger, Status, David King, probably lots of others.
Get a nice 80's Steinberger XL2A (or as HeavyDuty will surely chiem in, an XM!)
Basslab, Marleaux, Leduc, Kubicki.
As a new bass player... I am curious... what i the point of a headstockless bass? Is it just for looks? I hope not... 'cause they is mo fo ugly.
First of all, it's <b>headless</b> basses.
Headless basses have several advantages.
better balance because of:
-smaller overall length, no weight of headstock and tuners
fewer deadspots that could be caused by a large headstock.
lower string tension (?)
I used to have some quote from manufacturers on that topic, maybe I can dig it up again.
Ned Steinberger, who designed the first commercially popular headless bass, was always uncomfortable with the weight of the neck, headstock, and especially the tuning machines in relation to a bass's body.
So, his initial thought was, "Why not put the tuning machines on the body instead of the headstock."
It all goes back to when he was working with Stuart Spector. Steinberger was an art school grad with a background in furniture making, so he tended to think "outside the box" when he became interested in guitars/basses.
PBC (currently Bunker guitars) makes Headless basses.
You can also find old headless Westones, Kramers, Corts, Ibanezes (Ibani?), Riverheads, First Strikes, Gittlers and Hohners.
status-graphite makes them if u want to spend alot of money. all there products are over $1,000
Position of the tuners has _no_ effect on string tension. It can result in better tuning stability, however.
Speaking of Bunker, what's up with this bass? Seems like a headlesss bridge, but yet it has a head? Can someone explain this to me?
It has to some degree, because the overall string length is smaller than on basses with headstocks.
OMG. Haven't we gone over this before? 34" scale -> same tension
OK. I am as frustrated as Geshel. Okay. I really feel like screaming, so I am going to use all caps, but I'll make it a small font size to be less obnoxious.
THE LENGTH OF THE STRING BEYOND THE VIBRATING PART HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON THE TENSION OR THE PITCH OF THE STRING. IF THE STRING WERE THE SAME WEIGHT, THE VIBRATING LENGTH WAS THE SAME LENGTH, AND THE TENSION WERE HIGHER, THE NOTE WOULD BE HIGHER IN PITCH!!!!!!
<wipes sweat from brow>
time for my medication I think
You're not wrong. They are. (there have been innumerable threads on this - suffice to say I'm not saying it won't sound/play differently - but the idea that it changes the tension on the string is a myth).
Ok, tension might be the wrong term for it, there can be a difference in feel though.
On unmentioned advantage-
I always found with a Steinberger it was much easier to do slides down at the nut end (zero fret end). I find the hardware on a normal bass gets in my way causing me top change hand position.
Yeah, baby! XMs rule!
I've just picked up a Westone Super Headless bass, neck through and its made in the Matsumuko plant, Japan. Its the rare, more expensive walnut stained model - very nice! I've had many basses and I love this one. Its solidly built, sounds great, feels great, great to play and it'll last a very longtime. Well, its from '85 and its still going strong. Great bass, buy on eif you're into your headless stuff.