Help identifying a vintage japanese Jazz bass (Stagg?)

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by gerd0, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. gerd0


    Dec 16, 2019
    So some months ago I got a second hand bargain as my first bass guitar: an old Jazz bass for 30€, gig bag included (about 33,5 USD). Apparently it was also the original owner's first bass, because it is more than 30 years old, something that checks with the fact that the instrument has heavy signs of use and abuse.
    The thing is that I'm starting to like this bass guitar thing, and since I'm currently building my first guitar by parts I thought it'd be also a good idea to try to mod the hell out of this bass to make it the instrument I'd want it to be. But looking into great detail to it I thought that, given its condition, maybe it'd be better to sell it and with the money get a better bass to work with. I posted an online ad for it and the offers started to literally rain, non stop. I made a deal for 70€, but I still haven't closed it, mainly because of my currently busy schedule but also because there's people telling me that it is a japanese bass from the seventies, virtually one of a kind and that it could be worth much more than the price I've accepted. And this is why I came here looking for some knowledge about it, because the Internet is not giving me anything. Here's some pictures: Tot.jpg
    This is the bass I'm talking about...
    Here's my main issue when trying to get info about this bass: this decal seems to say "STAGG" or "STAGO", but I'm not really sure and I haven't seen anywhere a headstock with such decal...And in addition, if it is indeed a Stagg bass it doesn't look at all as any of their headstock decals. Has anyone ever seen this before?
    Made In Japan.jpg
    Here's the proof that it is indeed Made In Japan
    It has small sized pots as you can see here
    Here's the back of the body. It has some cracking, I can't really tell whether it affects only the finish or it also affects the wood. It doesn't look too deep anyway, so I imagine that some wood filler could do the trick if I decided to refinish the body...
    Cop màstil.jpg This crack is on the back of the neck, right below the headstock. This one does look more difficult to repair, but it doesn't really affect the playability, at least in my case. I guess you could say it's an extreme relic finish... Cavity.jpg
    This is the electronics cavity before shielding. I guess that little to nothing can be extracted from that inscription, but who knows!

    That's it! Any help with this would be really appreciated. Internet's packed with vultures, and I really don't like the idea of being taken by a fool...

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  2. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    There's a current guitar company called Stagg - maybe the same one.
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  3. gerd0


    Dec 16, 2019
    Yes, that's the first option that came to my mind, but it doesn't look at all as any other vintage Stagg jazz bass I've seen online...And also I think that the logo actually says "STAGO". Maybe it's an old Stagg ripoff, but it seems to be valuable anyway...
  4. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    Yes, it is different than the G and is probably an O. It's one of a plethora of factory brands out of Japan. The '70s marked the "law suit" era as they were producing clones of Fender/Gibson etc as compared to their '60s output which stylistically referenced many established designs, but they were not 'clones'.
  5. gerd0


    Dec 16, 2019
    So I guess that something like this could be taken as a proof that it is indeed a vintage jazz bass from that era, right? It's a shame that there's no serial number or anything else to give more info...
  6. Beej


    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    It's a "Stage" :thumbsup:
  7. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    It's from some year in the '70s based on the stylistic elements like black blocks on a maple neck which Fender incorporated in '69. So 1970 on. In this way it is "vintage", meaning it's '70s vintage - but not necessarily vintage in respect to being especially valuable. I'd say set it up nice and enjoy playing it.
  8. Peteyboy


    Apr 2, 2018
    Los Angeles
    You said you already accepted the offer of 70€ for it. Not only is that a profit of 40€, you've already accepted the offer.
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  9. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    Anyway, looks like a cool bass that's seen a lot of playing. How does it sound?
  10. Shirobon


    Jun 16, 2020
    It is the same company. Stagg started as a japanese company in the '70s. It was bought by the belgian EMD music group in 1995.

    I can't identify that particular bass, but I'm sure it's still better built than the trash Stagg is churning out now. Almost makes me ashamed to be Belgian.
  11. Sometimes things like this are worth more than you ask for them. The only way to find out is to raise the price and see if somebody bites, especially with something relatively rare.

    That said, rare doesn't always mean good or pricey. YMMV.
  12. Re: being a Stagg instrument

    I would say it's likely not based on the info I found on this site and others: The Stagg logos

    "Stage" seems more likely as @Beej said.
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  13. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    I agree - not the smartest font to use as far as brand clarity goes...
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  14. nickpc


    Jul 23, 2012
    North Carolina
    Which was probably the point.

  15. digmeout


    Oct 21, 2012
    It looks like the pickups may have been changed? I don't remember those old lawsuit bass pickups having cloth wiring?
  16. JIO

    JIO Be seeing you. Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 30, 2010
    The Mission SF/CA
    musician/artist/owner - Gildaxe
    So you think another Japanese company used a hard-to-read logo eluding to the Japanese company Stagg in an attempt to glean sales from their market making Fender clones? Kind of a stretch, but anything's possible I guess...
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2020
  17. RSBBass


    Jun 11, 2011
    It looks decent but not valuable. With that neck crack I wouldn't pay over 75€ for it.
  18. dan1952

    dan1952 Commercial User

    Jun 27, 2012
    Anderson IN
    Artist Endorsement with Supro Huntington Basses / Owner, Dan's Music, Inc..
    There is no reason to think that bass is a valuable vintage anything. It was, is, and will always be a cheap Japanese knock off. Wow...
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  19. -Shaun-


    Feb 10, 2018
    New Zealand
    The inscription inside the cavity is most likely the surname of someone who inspected the instrument. It either says Ikuma (イクマ), or Iwama (イワマ). Leaning more towards the latter. I'm not too sure what the R after the name stands for, but I'd say it's either the person's first name initial, or some other code used by the company.
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  20. Cowboy in Latvia

    Cowboy in Latvia

    Mar 1, 2015
    C'mon, this is Talkbass where we have a long tradition of supporting breaking deals. Remember, cash is king and if we find out we can get more cash for it we break the deal. Unless of course we are the ones who are on the receiving end of said deal, then we complain till we're blue in the face.
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