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Help on Hartke (Which is better deal.)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Dox, Jun 15, 2001.


  1. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    'Ello 'ello. THis is my situation. I have a 19 watt amp (where it is rated as a 10 watt in most catalogs oddly enough.) But now I need a better amp obviously. I am in two bands. A punk band with two guitarists and a progressive rock band that may be transformed to a three piece punk a-la Blink 182. Well I am looking at new amps. Well with my Epiphone bass I can dial up a good punk tone off the guitar it's self. Now thign thing is. I am looking at two Hartke combos in my price range ($400 US.) Yet both have differant qualities to them. So I need to know what amp will serve me needs more effiecently in my band setting. In my punk band I am gonna be doing a lot of bass soloing. So I need an amp that can cut through the mix for now. I know one of the guitarists has a 65 watt amp and the other I believe is 70. Yet oen of these amps offer more wattage but smaller cone and one offers less wattage and bigger cone. Here are a description of two from Sam Ash where I plan on getting them.

    Hartke Kickback 10
    $399.99 ( I am a bad negiotater so I doubt I will negiotate.)
    120 watts (8 ohms)
    10" aluminum cone
    3 band EQ
    effect send and return (whatever that means, if someone cares to tell me)
    XLR direct out (what is that.. i thought that was the jack for a microphone?)
    shape control (that just sounds fake)

    then there is the..

    Hartke B90
    $369.99
    90 watts
    15" driver
    3 band EQ
    adjustible shape ciruitry
    reinforced cabinet
    effects loop
    line level output (huh?)
    disable speaker function (right i can turn off my speaker?.. that makes no sense right there)

    Those are the two. Of course I will also be looking at there used stuff.. But a lot of local shops here have no used equipment anymore. But I will alway sbe lookign around for something better.. But those are the only two I am certain of. So any little tidbits will help.
     
  2. i have a hartke an it's awesome you can get so many different tones on it which is good for my p.o.s bass but it is an awesome amp for the money
     
  3. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    Reply to my own thread... Wow.. Well I went to Mars Music's website and found a few other amps in my price range.

    Crate BX100
    $369.99
    100 watts RMS (what does RMS mean.. i forgot)
    15" driver
    8 band graphic EQ to 16Hz
    XLR pre/post output w/ level
    external speaker jack (does that mean i need an added speaker cabine tot get teh full 100 watts?)
    limiter and contour controls
    60lbs
    24"H x 20.75"W x 15.75"D
     
  4. Well I'm no expert but it was my understanding that the bass should usually have about 3x the wattage that the guitar does, so I don't know if 90-120 watts will do, perhaps you could find a used amp in your price range that is more powerful. You could try checking out eBay, pretty good prices unless you live in Canada like me and when it says $400 it's actually more like $40000 cause the damn exchange rate. Just a thought, don't believe me until someone more experienced backs me up.
     
  5. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Not Crate. Hartke 2155. Bite the bullet. You'll thank me.
     
  6. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    That's $700 dollars man.. WAAAAY Past my limit.. $400 is just a stretched to the max. I don't even have a job. I would never be abel to afford that and I need to get a new bass on top of getting a new amp.
     
  7. Ty McNeely

    Ty McNeely

    Mar 27, 2000
    TX

    IMHO, do what Munji says. He knows his stuff. Find a way to get the money.

    Also.....

    You HAVE a bass that will do the job, no matter how crappy it may be. The amp you have WON'T do the job you need it to do. So, what I'm trying to say is that you don't *NEED* a new bass, you just want one. You *NEED* a new amp because you don't have one that will do what you need it to do, no matter how hard you push it.
     
  8. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    Well if you want to get technical I don't need a new amp either. I can always mic my little amp cause even though it's power is weak it gives out a great tone. So I don't really need anything. But we already have a few gigs lined up this summer so I need to use an amp for those so I won't be able to sav eup the money... I don't plan on having the combo for long cause I want a stack. It also took me almost two years to have the money I have now.
     
  9. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Heck, man, darn! You give me too much credit, Hunter. My recommendation to Dox doesn't even conform to my long-held credo of "Start at 300, and go up." Which, as you know, I thoroughly believe, but barely abide with my own gear.

    Well, Dox, if you're going to just unload the combo in a year and then buy a stack, you're kinda throwing away your hard-earned money. I'd wait until I could get the stack. Then my recommendation would be a Walter Woods 1000-watt head and a whole slew of EA cabs. Or you could go the Eden route ... it'd be cheaper.
     
  10. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    Like I said man I need an amp soon and I have to get what I can with my money I have now. Cause I do have gigs this summer and renting amps would be a waste of money.
     
  11. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Just tryin' to help.
     
  12. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    And I thank you fo rit.. But your suggestions are teh accessable to me.
     
  13. Get something that's upgradeable in the future! Throwin money away isn't too cool. Don't get me wrong, I started w/ a Peavey combo (TKO 115, 75W RMS (Which means Root Mean Squared, It's a way to rate power)) And now that I'm actually playing w/ a band, I'm upgrading. Wish I woulda gone w/ rackmount head. So I bought my Hartke 3500. Then I've built a 1x15 cab. I'll be building a 4x10 and a 2x10. Take em to whatever the gig requires. Flexiblity is the key. Get something w/ an XLR out. Sound guys will like it, 15 seconds to set you up. If you don't, then You'll prolly have to borrow their 20 year old DI box that has a bad hum. When I get all the cabs built, Then I'll go to preamp/poweramp setup.

    For that $400 amp you'll be buying, you could get a used head w/ around 300-400W RMS @4ohms. Check carvin stuff. Then buy a 1x15 cab, that'll work for practice, and they are usually cheaper. Then, when money is there (Get a job! It's fun! Not lying! (yaaaaaaaahhhhh)) You can buy either a 2x10 or 4x10. Then pick and choose components for practice (4x10 will do) and for gigs (bring the 4x10 and 1x15). That way you'll be able to monitor yourself. Bass and drums shouldn't really need a monitor.

    HTH
     
  14. i used to be in your sito a whole back dox, wanted an amp not enough cash, knew i would need a bigger one later. What i did was, chat with the guy at my music store, get on his good side , tell him you've got all these gigs lined up, and hire a decent rig at a real good deal because you then going to tell him that when you've got the cash you'll come to him to get the amp,.. also a little flatery goes a long way e.g. youve always got the best amps man etc... we use to got to this music store every day, and ended up giving customers advise and stuff just for fun, and he was real good to us, but thats another story.

    If you buy something now you'll just want to update it later, so why not go the stretch and get something a bit better when you can.

    yt
     
  15. i can say this honestly: i regret every small combo i've ever bought.

    first i got a 15w, got rid of it. then a 90w, got rid of it. and recently got a 160w thinking it would be enough. i'm planning to get rid of that, too. i just got a 350w head/2x10 and i'm planning to add some more cabs, but this power is more than enough for me. i know i won't be throwing this out for a very long time.

    just take the easy less expensive way and get something that you know you'll keep.
     
  16. I got the Hartke B90. Its a good amp, IMO. It kind muds out when the volume is at 9 or 10, but a lot of amps do that. It's great for practice or small gigs. But nothing other than that.

    The only problem I have with it is the fact that you CANNOT add another cab to it. So basically you can never add on. This is a huge turnoff for me. When I can afford another amp, I'm selling this one.
     
  17. It might be a stretch, but if you look hard enough on eBay you may be able to get a hartke 3500 head and a 1x15 cab, probably a Peavey, for around that $400 mark. I have seen a couple 3500's go for $250-300 and some 1x15's go for $100-150.
     
  18. Dox

    Dox

    Aug 17, 2000
    Millville, New Jersey
    Wow.. jrthebassguy is the onlyperson to give me an actual answer towards my question.

    tufnuts - I plan on applyin gfor some jobs this summer do to the fact I am in a work program for school so I am gonna try to get a job at M&M Music. YESSA! Also I went around looking at used stuff and I didn't even see a head or a cabinet only combos EVERYWHERE I went in a two town radius from me. Most of em where 50 watt Fender's and a Vox guitar amp a guy swore it was for bass up and down. So gettign used will be an extremely hard job for where I live. But also all the local venues are small.... Mighty small.. So if I need anything extra.. I will mic the amp like I did at a talent show with my friends Fender piece of crap.

    whitester - my sister is close friends with a guy that works at a local music store (M&M Music) Which I am hoping to hook up with a job and the only thing they do is rent out amps and mainly get Trace Elliot and Fender combos... I have only seen Trace Elliot heads but no cabinets. Even though they are some good head.... But extremely expensive and even for knowing the guy as well as I do he wouldn't be abel to bring it down to a low enough price. I've tried to get him to knock $300 off a head that would have put it just above my mark (hoping my parents would fill in the blanks.) Yet he couldn't do it for me. So maybe if I get a job there I can get me self a discount. Yet I know wasting money is a bummer.. But finding a head and a cabinet is above my reach at the moment.

    metallicarules - I refuse eBay. My friend down the street got a speaker off eBay and during teh shipping process soemthign punctured a 4" hole directly through the entire thing. We doubt it was sent to him liek that cause that guy he got it from.. err girl had a really good history and no complaints. Also I won't be abel to try out the amp through eBay. And nothing aroudn here sells Carvin. I want to try the amp before I get it cause I know my friends Trace Elliot loses a lot of volume when I push down on my wah pedal.
     
  19. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Maybe some of us are trying to steer you away from someone else's mistake.
     
  20. MypartnerStinks

    MypartnerStinks

    Jun 19, 2001
    RMS is the correct way to rate the watts of something, if a speaker isn't rated in RMS then they are quoting the max power output, I.e. it would probably blow up at that level.

    Line level output is use to plug directly in to a sound board either for recording or an alternative to using a Mic. Also you could string combo amps together like this from your line out to an input or line in of another amp. I have seen this done with a bassist who had a crate practice amp that was about 20 watts and another crate amp that was about 100 watts. He couldn't get rid of his old amp so he just used the line out to "stack" them together. It would give him a few extra watts and he often leaned his 20 watt amp against the wall as a monitor of sorts.

    Effects sends and return allows you to use an effects box after your preamp so that the effect doesn't muck with your sound. At least this is the theory but I have used pedals and effects processors both in line and though the effects loops of the same amp and I couldn't tell much difference with my ears.

    I'm no amp expert but if I were you I would try each on at as MAX a volume i.e. 10 as you could, even if its only for a few notes, and listen to see if there is any distortion. With the small amps your considering buying that is the level you probably will be playing at in your band situation, at least in the band with the two guitarists.

    My 2cents