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Help! SWR owners..too much bass?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by 6stringerbeaner, Feb 4, 2004.


  1. 6stringerbeaner

    6stringerbeaner

    Nov 18, 2003
    Heres my problem I can't figure out yet. I'm using a SWR SM-900 with a Goliath III 4x10 cab. Awesome sound for me but while I'm playing on stage It seems to bassy at times and I can't make out the notes I'm playing at times.(yes, I tried turning down the bass knob at eq as well). Soundman says it sounds fine out there but up here it sounds muddy to me.

    Stage is to small for me to stand far away so maybe thats why, but is there any other solutions? should I stand to the side or turn morn mids up and bass down. I thought it was my volume and preamp settings so I adjusted those. I have my preamp at 3'o clock and my master around 9 to 12 at times. I set my limiter to 11'oclock as well. I think I need more mids but I haven't figured out what setting to put them at yet. Can anyone help?
     
  2. put some more high mids and highs? i have an sm-400 and i boos bass slightly and boost treble sometimes boosting some low mids and i use 2 15''s im not muddy, maybe its your bass? try out treble and higher mids
     
  3. PunkerTrav

    PunkerTrav

    Jul 18, 2001
    Canada & USA
    I second boosting the highs/mids. Also, I've noticed that my amp sounds much bassier when I'm standing beside it. Once i get out in front of the speakers, I can hear alot more definition. Would this apply to you as well? Or does teh size of the stage limit your flexibility?

    Travis
     
  4. 6stringerbeaner

    6stringerbeaner

    Nov 18, 2003
    I also have two 9-volt batteries I think need changing on my bass. Due to the size of the stage and amount of room I have, I actually stand almost in front of it. I can feel the bass coming out but I can't make out sqwat what note is being played clearly. I will take your advise guys and adjust my mids a little better too.
     
  5. Really??? I played through an all-SWR rig until fairly recently and I never found that problem. Instead, I always felt like you HAVE to boost the bass on SWR amps, and depending on the bass guitar, sometimes have to cut the treble a bit.

    Now that I've been mixing and matching SWR with Aguilar stuff I find all things being equal, Aguilar cabs give you a bit more bass and low mids and Aguilar preamps give you a little less brittle sound that the cutting highs of the SWR.

    I think the proximity on stage to your rig will probably have a lot to do with it, as well as how the bass sits in the mix with the rest of the band. Depending on how your guitarist(s)' setup sounds, you might just not be cutting through the mix enough to hear yourself properly?
     
  6. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    Here's another suggestion...raise the amp rig off the stage. I had to raise mine, and it helped both the stage and house sound. Playing a WM4004 through a Goliath III 4 ohm.
     
  7. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    I ran a 750 through a goliath senior, and it ALWAYS lacked lows. I got tons of the SWR nasal mids, and brittle highs though.
     
  8. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    Whenever I've got uncontrolable lows, it's usually because I'm hearing it comming from the PA's front of house and/or drum fill. The boominess is exagerated because you're not standing in the PA's line of fire.
     
  9. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    Pick one of the sweepable EQ bands on the 900. Boost it to about 3:00 and then sweep through the low midrange (say 100-500 Hz).

    When it sounds REALLY muddy, then stop sweeping and CUT to about 9:00. Then dial in both the sweep and cut further to taste.

    Are you using the aural exciter? Try turning it off.
     
  10. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Supporting Member

    Good point! I've played large gigs where I had to keep my stage volume way down due to crappy monitors. In those instances, all I could hear of my bass playing was thrummm thrummm thrummm from the mains.

    It definitely makes sense to boost mids. Your stage rig might sound like crap by itself (nasal, honky), but the important thing is to hear yourself in the mix and rely on your sound man to make you sound good in the mains. Boosting mids might be tricky if your stage rig is miked or the DI is post-EQ... but hopefully your soundman can deal with whatever you send him. If your DI is pre-EQ, nothing to worry about.
     
  11. 6stringerbeaner

    6stringerbeaner

    Nov 18, 2003
    I had to read the manual finally just to finally figure out that each concentric knob is controlled by the bottom being the frequency and the inner knob being the level :meh: Now I seem to understand my eq a little better at least. Thanks Brian for your advice it seems to be alot better now. Also REVGroove thank you because I'm building a box stand to raise my rig up off the floor as well. :hyper:
     
  12. Wes Whitmore

    Wes Whitmore Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Do you have casters on the bottom? If not, you might want to add some. It will help cut some of the precieved bass, as well as help you move it around.
     
  13. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist

    He's got a point...the castors would raise things nicely.

    I use an Auralex GRAMMA as an amp stand though, people are pleasantly surprised...now I gotta figure out a way to copy the design and make a couple more!!!
     
  14. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    For new equipment:

    Rule 1: RTFM.

    Rule 2: RTFM again.

    Rule 3: Repeat.
     
  15. Manual? I'm a guy, I don't need manuals!

    please don't hurt me.
     
  16. BassIan

    BassIan Supporting Member

    Apr 27, 2003
    Cupertino, California
    I don't find that there's TOO MUCH bass through my rig, though I do run lots of mids. I run a Goliath Senior and a Big Ben, and if I WANT the big bottom stuff, I can play with my Aphex 204 and my EQ, but normally run the mids boosted.

    What you are describing sounds like some sort of room problem, not a rig problem. Spends some quality time with your EQ in the room that gives you this effect. Chances are there's a frequency that you currently have boosted that makes your sound boomy. I find that you can get a really nice bassy sound without boominess (and it generally uses a bit less amp power, as low frequencies have high power demands) if you cut the lowest frequencies (around 40-50 hz), and boost the low mids (around 100 hz). Play around though. The best thing you can do is spend a lot of time with it.