Help with a New Preamp

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by funkyfretless, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. Demeter 201S

    21 vote(s)
  2. Kern

    12 vote(s)
  3. Aguilar DB659

    27 vote(s)
  4. Alembic FX-1

    33 vote(s)
  1. funkyfretless


    Jan 15, 2006
    Atlanta, Ga
    hey guys,
    just got a nv 610...oh my gooddd!!! im set finally.
    i am running thru a carvin dcm100 and a demeter hbp1 pre
    my basses are a 64 p (with labella flats and sometimes round wounds),
    a usa dj lakland, and an adler fretless 4.

    im looking for an oldschool vibe ala....jamerson, pino, and meshell
    but with alittle more punch to it. the problem with my demeter is its to sterile souding to me.

    want to cut thru, but want to be felt as well..i guess i want that chest thumbin tone :smug:

    had a db 750 and didnt like lost in the mix..and i really like the versatiliy of the power/pre combo.

    looking at changing my demter

    ive narrowed it down to these. wht would be best for my needs:

    1. demeter 201S..(ive heard its more oldschool less hifi like the hbp1)
    2. kern
    3. aguilar db659...(is it like db750's pre section??)
    4. alembic fx1

    i want a warm old school vibe but needs to cut and not just be muddy and be a good match for my sealed nv610.

    thanks guys and give your opinion...dont just say what you use :)

    oh styles are funk, r&b, neo soul, some straight ahead(mainly on upright), some latin, rock, blues, and alittle country.

    so it need to be versatile but not have 100000 knobs :)

    will also upgrade the carvin to a crest ca6 soon as well.
  2. Ale


    Jul 5, 2006
    Endorsing Artist: IGiG Cases
    For the old school vibe i would definetely choose the Aggie , it is also a great match with the bergantino.
  3. you should also check out the Fender TBP-1 It's probably cheaper than those on your list, but it does a very good vintage type tone that is full sounding and has some nice features too
  4. Michael Vee

    Michael Vee Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2004
    I would vote for the classic Alembic F-1X, except that choice doesn't appear in the poll. ;)
  5. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    WT800C or the WT550. You can micro noodle with the eq settings and get what you need. The chest thumpin sound is in the WT800C for sure. I have that sound...
  6. funkyfretless


    Jan 15, 2006
    Atlanta, Ga
    thanks guys so far anyone else :)
  7. Doug Parent

    Doug Parent Supporting Member

    May 31, 2004
    San Diego, Ca.
    Dealer Nordstrand Pickups.
    "im looking for an oldschool vibe ala....jamerson, pino, and meshell
    but with alittle more punch to it. the problem with my demeter is its to sterile souding to me."

    Have you tried really turning down the treble and boosting the presence control?
    I have an HPB-1 as well and can get an old school vibe out of it if I turn down the treble enough.....boost the mids all the way up and the presence at 2:00 o'clock.
  8. dcr

    dcr Supporting Member

    Plus, isn't the front end of the HBP-1 basically the same thing as the 201s?

    My HBP does a pretty good job for old-school, especially if I pick the right bass/strings. It will also do modern though, as well.

    just leave the para EQ turned off; I always do with pretty good results.

  9. stingray56funk


    Feb 16, 2005
    I say go for the Alembic! Nice round tone...but versatile...and a plus for live use!
  10. r379

    r379 Guest

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dallas, Texas
    I own an F-1X and have owned the Demeter 201S. While similar, the Demeter was the more hi fi of the two. My vote goes to the F-1X.

    Edit: I've owned a DB659 as well. Certainly tubey but more aagresive than the F-1X.
  11. NKUSigEp


    Jun 6, 2006
    Bright, IN
    All in my opinion of course...the Demeter was ok. I haven't played the Kern. The Alembic was pretty good but just seemed like it was missing something. My choice would be (and was) the Aggie.

    It has a naturally warm clean sound and delivers a strong, clear signal to your power amp. The clincher for me was the overdrive/distortion though! Talk about balls! I have the mids set at noon, treble at 3, bass at 3, both boost switches turned on, and gain cranked - it's delicious!
  12. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I actually used the Kern, the Alembic and the 659 with my nv610.

    I ended up going with a Read. I didn't like the 659 at all. I thought it was too midrange grunty and thin sounding. I do miss the Kern a lot though (as well as the Alembic). The Kern is easily the fattest with a wonderful low end that was never too much; has a very nice/useable midrange voice that cut through just fine. The top end is very smooth sounding as well. I'd go for the Kern if I were you based upon what you said.

    P.S. There is one for sale in the TB classifieds right now!
  13. funkyfretless


    Jan 15, 2006
    Atlanta, Ga
    is the aggie pre the same as the db750...cause i hated that amp heavy and it didnt cut thru the mix at all.

    i want phat tone old school but needs to cut
  14. arbitrary

    arbitrary Supporting Member

    Oct 24, 2005
    Boston, MA

    Kern, Dammit.
  15. funkyfretless


    Jan 15, 2006
    Atlanta, Ga
    ... :)
  16. kdlunde

    kdlunde Guest

    Nov 8, 2006
    C'mon!! My first name is Kern, so the choice is obvious...
  17. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru..........

    Apr 11, 2006
    Out there!
    I used to have the Aguilar, but tossed it because it was very noisy (hum, buzz, that sort of noise).
  18. fokof

    fokof One day ,I'll be in the future

    Mar 16, 2007
    If you want that old tone , go for the old designed preamp , the Alambic...
  19. 62bass

    62bass Guest

    Apr 3, 2005
  20. Ostinato

    Ostinato Guest

    Feb 7, 2005
    Toronto ON
    Demeters have a bit of trouble getting a certain low midrange oomph that a fretless really needs to sound good. I'd go Alembic or, from what I've heard Kern might also work good. Or surprisingly...try an Ampeg SVPCL! I wouldn't touch an Aggie with a sh1tty stick.