hey guys, just got a nv 610...oh my gooddd!!! im set finally. i am running thru a carvin dcm100 and a demeter hbp1 pre my basses are a 64 p (with labella flats and sometimes round wounds), a usa dj lakland, and an adler fretless 4. im looking for an oldschool vibe ala....jamerson, pino, and meshell but with alittle more punch to it. the problem with my demeter is its to sterile souding to me. want to cut thru, but want to be felt as well..i guess i want that chest thumbin tone had a db 750 and didnt like it...got lost in the mix..and i really like the versatiliy of the power/pre combo. looking at changing my demter ive narrowed it down to these. wht would be best for my needs: 1. demeter 201S..(ive heard its more oldschool less hifi like the hbp1) 2. kern 3. aguilar db659...(is it like db750's pre section??) 4. alembic fx1 i want a warm old school vibe but needs to cut and not just be muddy and be a good match for my sealed nv610. thanks guys and give your opinion...dont just say what you use oh yeah...my styles are funk, r&b, neo soul, some straight ahead(mainly on upright), some latin, rock, blues, and alittle country. so it need to be versatile but not have 100000 knobs will also upgrade the carvin to a crest ca6 soon as well. evan
For the old school vibe i would definetely choose the Aggie , it is also a great match with the bergantino.
you should also check out the Fender TBP-1 It's probably cheaper than those on your list, but it does a very good vintage type tone that is full sounding and has some nice features too
WT800C or the WT550. You can micro noodle with the eq settings and get what you need. The chest thumpin sound is in the WT800C for sure. I have that sound...
"im looking for an oldschool vibe ala....jamerson, pino, and meshell but with alittle more punch to it. the problem with my demeter is its to sterile souding to me." Have you tried really turning down the treble and boosting the presence control? I have an HPB-1 as well and can get an old school vibe out of it if I turn down the treble enough.....boost the mids all the way up and the presence at 2:00 o'clock.
Plus, isn't the front end of the HBP-1 basically the same thing as the 201s? My HBP does a pretty good job for old-school, especially if I pick the right bass/strings. It will also do modern though, as well. just leave the para EQ turned off; I always do with pretty good results. dcr
I own an F-1X and have owned the Demeter 201S. While similar, the Demeter was the more hi fi of the two. My vote goes to the F-1X. Edit: I've owned a DB659 as well. Certainly tubey but more aagresive than the F-1X.
All in my opinion of course...the Demeter was ok. I haven't played the Kern. The Alembic was pretty good but just seemed like it was missing something. My choice would be (and was) the Aggie. It has a naturally warm clean sound and delivers a strong, clear signal to your power amp. The clincher for me was the overdrive/distortion though! Talk about balls! I have the mids set at noon, treble at 3, bass at 3, both boost switches turned on, and gain cranked - it's delicious!
I actually used the Kern, the Alembic and the 659 with my nv610. I ended up going with a Read. I didn't like the 659 at all. I thought it was too midrange grunty and thin sounding. I do miss the Kern a lot though (as well as the Alembic). The Kern is easily the fattest with a wonderful low end that was never too much; has a very nice/useable midrange voice that cut through just fine. The top end is very smooth sounding as well. I'd go for the Kern if I were you based upon what you said. P.S. There is one for sale in the TB classifieds right now!
is the aggie pre the same as the db750...cause i hated that amp heavy and it didnt cut thru the mix at all. i want phat tone old school but needs to cut
Demeters have a bit of trouble getting a certain low midrange oomph that a fretless really needs to sound good. I'd go Alembic or, from what I've heard Kern might also work good. Or surprisingly...try an Ampeg SVPCL! I wouldn't touch an Aggie with a sh1tty stick.