Here's another 'What-should-I-do' thread.

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by christiaan_01, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. Keep Fender and buy an Ibanez ATK (300-305)

    16 vote(s)
  2. Keep Fender and buy a Tokai Hardpuncher

    8 vote(s)
  3. Sell Fender and buy a Lakland 44-02 or 55-02

    29 vote(s)
  4. Sell Fender and buy a Sandberg California JM 4 or 5

    2 vote(s)
  1. christiaan_01

    christiaan_01 Guest

    May 6, 2007
    Ok, so here is the story.
    I got a Fender Cij jazz at the moment and I'm quite happy with the jazz-sound, but I think it doesn't cut enough through the mix in a rock situation.

    So here are my options:

    - I keep my Fender jazz and buy a Ibanez ATK 300 or 305
    With this combination I have the jazz-sound, and a steady rocksound, a bit like a stingray.

    - I keep my Fender jazz and buy a Tokai Hardpuncher
    Same as ATK, but then precision bass

    - I sell my Fender jazz and buy a Lakland 44-02 or 55-02
    Having just one bass, which is versatile, providing me with P-J-MM sorts of sounds

    - I sell my Fender jazz and buy Sandberg California JM 4 or 5
    Actually the same as the Lakland, but then a more classy model

    For all options it costs me the same money. I never had 2 basses at the same time, so I'm not sure if it is handy in a band. I think that one versatile bass is more my cup of tea. But I'm not sure.

    What would you do in my situation? Please give some input if you vote!
  2. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    J bass not cutting it? I'd look at amp/cabs first. What are you using now?
  3. christiaan_01

    christiaan_01 Guest

    May 6, 2007
    I just switched from Ashdown to Aguilar, but it needs to arrive first.
    But in some music styles the jazz tone mixes perfectly, but with some sort of rock, many guitars, I only hear the very low end of the bass, but then there is no typical j-sound, or any sound. It's just bass tones.
    Therefore I'd like to add an MM or P-sound to the bass, or with other basses, which go more easily in a rock situation.
  4. christiaan_01

    christiaan_01 Guest

    May 6, 2007
  5. unclejane

    unclejane Guest

    Jul 23, 2008
    Er, yeah, I agree, I'd say try a better amp first. Buy as much power as you can afford, the extra headroom is always useable and will greatly add to a clear sound....

  6. iplaybassguitar

    iplaybassguitar Guest

    Jun 22, 2006
    Rochester NY
    get new pickups for your fender.
  7. BioDriver

    BioDriver A Cinderella story

    Aug 29, 2008
    Austin, TX
    1. Wait for the amp to come in and see if that improves your situation.

    2. Try a booster first

    3. Try dropping some hotter pups in. If this doesn't work you can always switch back to the stock ones and sell the replacements for your money back.
  8. basmartin


    Aug 6, 2007

    Try DiMarzio Model J and your bass probably will cut through a little better. They are som loud pickups.....:)
  9. BAW

    BAW Guest

    Aug 1, 2008
    Long Island
    id say just spend some more time with your amp, namely your EQ. maybe you need graphic EQ with more bands on it.
  10. christiaan_01

    christiaan_01 Guest

    May 6, 2007
    Hmm, I've tried a lot with my previous amp with the equalizer, and with certain styles of music the sound was lovely. With other styles my jazz just doesn't fit enough for what I need to play. I've had other jazz basses as well, and every time I get the same result.
    When I'm playing alone at home, the bass sounds great, but together with other musicians, the nice tone just disappears, even if I boost certain frequencies.. So I'm pretty sure that I'm going to buy a new or extra bass.
  11. Try rolling the volume of the neck pickup off slightly. Look at some preamps, look at your mids, play those songs with a pick, or maybe try running a dual channel system w/ some overdrive or distortion. There are lots of cheaper options to get yourself heard in the mix than buying a new bass. Tim Commerford plays Jazz basses exclusively, and there's never any problem hearing him.
  12. 4bpauly

    4bpauly Guest

    Jan 23, 2008
    Toronto, ON Canada
    i love the laklands, so i chose that..however

    if your jazz bass isn't cutting through it may be due to your EQing or your amp/cab

    i am not a huge fan of Jazz basses, but cutting through isn't usually the problem.

  13. If you need a more aggressive tone, you could try some stainless steel strings as well; DR lo-riders are favored really well around here, as are D'addario pro-steels, which are about as bright as you can get, and a bit cheaper.
  14. Eilif

    Eilif Grooving under the MDW runway.

    Oct 1, 2001
    A few thoughts:

    IMHO, a p-bass sits in the mix (and sits really well) rather then cuts through the mix, so even though I'm a p-bass guy, if you want to cut, I would not get the Tokai.

    Dimarzio J's are great pups. I have a set in my jazz and they definately punch through the mix. If however, it's high end that you want, the Dimarzio Ultrajazz pups are probably a better choice.

    It sounds like you would benefit from an active bass. I don't know anything about the sandberg, so it's between the lakland and the Ibanez. I really like having more than one bass, especially if my backup is a passive bass. That said, it sounds like you're fine with one bass, and the Lakland is a great instrument.

    Thus, I would say Lakland 55-02. It will feel alot different than your Jazz, so before you sell the jazz and get the Lakie, make sure you try one out. Switching to a new neck profile, 5 string, and pickup arangement sight unseen is not a good idea.
  15. lefty007


    Jan 19, 2004
    Miami, FL
    +1000. Dimarzio Js ooze tone, character, and edge. Will make a $50 plank of any kind of wood sound good.
  16. iplaybassguitar

    iplaybassguitar Guest

    Jun 22, 2006
    Rochester NY
    i dont know what CIJ means, but if its not american, you should certainly get new pickups. mexican and japanese fenders come stock with pretty bad pickups. i just replaced the pups in my MIM jazz and the difference is night/day.
  17. Agreed, if you look at Dimarzios website, the tone spectrum on the Ultras is very much the same, but with alot more high end, and you can always roll that off if you don't need as much.
  18. JPMcGuire

    JPMcGuire Supporting Member

    Jul 13, 2008
    Lake Orion, Michigan
    I had the same issue for my classic rock gigs using jazz basses - there just ok. I've tried fender CS jazz basses, sadowsky, ken smith, musicman, etc - basically the most expensive versions of these insturments.

    Last year I moved to an 85 rickenbacker 4003 I bought. Rick for classic rock is the bomb. I've never had so many positive comments on the bass tone. I play it through ampeg and markbass rigs. I can get a deep mean tone or a sole tone. Even slap tones have this cool tone.
  19. wvbass

    wvbass Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2004
    West Virginia
    Not all Fender Jazz basses are created equal. I can easily believe it might be the bass. My thoughts:

    1) My favorite tones are from passive basses when I'm playing alone. In a rock band setting, active basses work better for me. I use a Sadowsky outboard preamp with my Jazz bass to get me there.

    2) The 44-02 that I had sat in the mix more like the P-bass stereotype rather than cut through like the Jazz stereotype. Based on what you said, I'd rule out the Tokai and the Lakland. Can't say I've ever seen a Sandberg in the flesh.

    3) Even though it might be the bass, don't rule the amp out. Be patient and see what you think once you get your Aguilar. One of my favorite gigging amps is an SWR Super Redhead. It helps just about any bass cut through the mix. I don't like to use it when I practice by myself, though - it tends to be too bright and harsh by itself.

    4) It sounds like you really want a new bass. Nothing wrong with that, but keep the Jazz. Check out the ATK, and consider it in a 5 string, depending on the type of rock you're playing. I don't own one, but I can't imagine it being to much different from my Stingray in a band setting.
  20. Don't Panic

    Don't Panic Guest

    Oct 15, 2006
    Kiriat Ono, Israel
    Keep the jazz. Wait for your new amp. See if the problem consists.

    Then save some cash for a Sandberg! =P