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Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by Precisionb87, Jul 24, 2011.
Interesting read . . .
Hmmmm.... interesting. They dont mention anything about the spelling, but I used to own a Jazz Bass with the spelling Squire, and in the early 90s I came across a couple of others. Maybe they were knockoffs, but they had the "by Fender" on the headstock, so I doubt it.
The plot thickens.
That's news to me! Do you have any evidence of this, I'm very curious.
Read Knuckle Head's link.
I did. No mention of a different spelling and I've never seen it myself (doesn't mean they don't exist, of course). I have played a few JV and SQ Squiers but they all had the current spelling.
I thought you meant the Japanese part. Sorry.
I was a Fender dealer from '77 - '88. Never saw anything from Fender spelled "Squire", never. The first MIJ Fender products (excellent instruments BTW, all of them) were the Squier Standards.
Sorry for the mis-spelling . . .
You spelled it correctly!
I'm 89% certain I saw a D'Addario brochure a few years back with a timeline in it claiming that they were the first with roundwound bass string. I remember it because it seemed counter to the Dano and Roto stories....
And haven't bass piano strings always been roundwound?
Yes, but piano string were made out of various brass, aluminum, and steel combinations.
EDIT: Oh yeah, iron too.
I am reviving this zombie thread because I was long confused by the claim I have read on TB and elsewhere that Rotosound's were the first round wound bass string, and began in '66.
This claim bothered me, because I know I played on round wounds in '63 on a Danelectro (Silvertone) dolphin nose, and again later in '64 on a Kay. Reading the online history of D'Addario and Rotosound confirms that D'addario was winding round wound bass strings by the early '60s, too. I might add that long ago, I even encountered round wounds on old cheap uprights, too.
Entwistle got involved with James How of Rotosound in '66 and consulted about improving an existing string line, and that is when their signature Swing bass strings got going.
Still a murky picture with a lot of corporate hype mixed in.
I think Rotosound made the first aftermarket round wounds that popularized the string type, but by all accounts you are correct that Dano and D'Addario had rounds available in the early '60s.
Rotosound remains purposely vague in their marketing to make it seem like they invented rounds, without actually lying about it.
But they deserve the credit for creating the string with THE sound, still unmatched IMO.
Danelectro used them, and that's why Entwistle decided to use round strings. he had some Danelectro basses and he loved that tone, but there were any producer selling them (it's said that he bought various Danelectros, because in changed bass instead of strings, not having roundwounds...).
in the Swing66 page on the Rotosound site you can read this:
The John Entwistle connection 1966
“It was in 1966 and I was looking for that Danelectro sound again. I tried everybody’s strings but the E and the A’s just didn’t work. It was the same with Rotosound but there was something about them that was almost there but not quite. To solve the problem I got in touch with James How and told him his D and G strings were great but the E and A didn’t vibrate properly.
He told me to take my bass along to Rotosound and have some strings made until they got it right. After a couple of hours, we realised that the problem wasn’t in the wire winding, but in the core of the string. You could see that the strings vibrated in a big circle and that was wrong; the core needed to be thicker.
We also made the overall gauges a bit heavier and they sent me away with 12 sets to use. A couple of days later they called and asked if I objected to them putting my name to the strings and selling them commercially. I told them I didn’t mind as long as they kept me supplied with free strings!
But then we had to do the same with medium and short scale strings because I had loads of different basses by then. Those strings, the RS 66 sets, were the first that vibrated properly other than the Danelectros.”
Well, there we have it. I saw that, too. IIRC, Entwistle had gone to James How (then owner of what is now Rotosound) because he couldn't get replacement strings for his Danelectro basses, and in fact used to buy more of those instruments just to get one with a complete set of strings!
They (Rotosound) certainly got distribution of round wounds going full steam internationally. I think it was because they saw a good business opportunity with Entwistle, and took it. There are lots of pictures from the mid-sixties of rotosound executives and english pop stars. The company had been originally started by James How to make strings for his hobby—Austrian Zithers, and soon it branched out into strings for everything like violins, harpsichords, mandolins, etc.
That quote above is the most complete by Entwistle I've seen regarding his input, fascinating. I can add that it was during the recording of My Generation that he kept breaking Dano strings, and buying basses so he could get the track done. Apparently he simplified the solo parts a bit from his original intent so he could get the track down without breaking any more strings.
That song changed my life.
Even after all these years and having heard it countless times, it still blows my mind when it gets played on the radio. Just compare it to most of what was on the radio at the time, and it still sounds fresh and radical.
The crazy part is that Entwistle said that he ended up using LaBella black tape wound strings on that solo!